2015 Ford Focus ST petrol or Diesel
Discussion
I am interested in one of these and appreciate the petrol is faster in every way but I cannot ignore the price and mpg of the diesel.
Autoebid are advertising these cars new for early 2015 delivery.
Focus ST 2.0 petrol list £24190 save £2364 price £21826 154 mph 6.5 0-60 urban 32.1 comb 41.5 extra urban 49.6 mpg
Focus ST 2.0 Diesel list £24195 save £5521 price £18674 135 mph 8.1 0-60 urban 56.5 comb 67.3 extra urban 74.3 mpg
Both these cars look exactly the same and the only way you can visually tell from outside the car and probably inside the car if its a petrol or Diesel is lifting the bonnet.
What would you buy !!!
Autoebid are advertising these cars new for early 2015 delivery.
Focus ST 2.0 petrol list £24190 save £2364 price £21826 154 mph 6.5 0-60 urban 32.1 comb 41.5 extra urban 49.6 mpg
Focus ST 2.0 Diesel list £24195 save £5521 price £18674 135 mph 8.1 0-60 urban 56.5 comb 67.3 extra urban 74.3 mpg
Both these cars look exactly the same and the only way you can visually tell from outside the car and probably inside the car if its a petrol or Diesel is lifting the bonnet.
What would you buy !!!
I know both petrol and diesel variants are exactly the same Ford list price, but i am amazed to see so much more discount being applied to the diesel. 
Makes me think that company anticipates the diesel to be a poor seller compared to the petrol....which i find strange.
If you can get one for that price it does make the diesel impossible to ignore even if you previously wanted the petrol.
The driving experience of the petrol will be much more thrilling, but depending on what you want from the car the diesel at those prices could be a better bet.
I recently bought an ST3, but even if the diesel had been available i would still have chosen petrol.
Which model do these prices refer to because they dont tie in with Ford pricing, but surely has to be an ST2 or ST3?
Ford list price for ST1, ST2 and ST3 is £22195, £23695 and £25995 respectively.
Makes me think that company anticipates the diesel to be a poor seller compared to the petrol....which i find strange.
If you can get one for that price it does make the diesel impossible to ignore even if you previously wanted the petrol.
The driving experience of the petrol will be much more thrilling, but depending on what you want from the car the diesel at those prices could be a better bet.
I recently bought an ST3, but even if the diesel had been available i would still have chosen petrol.
Which model do these prices refer to because they dont tie in with Ford pricing, but surely has to be an ST2 or ST3?
Ford list price for ST1, ST2 and ST3 is £22195, £23695 and £25995 respectively.
Edited by Ron240 on Monday 10th November 20:02
The prices I quoted were both for the ST-2 + Navigation.The discount for both cars are even more than I stated as the price is after Autoebid have taken their £500 commission and these prices are the maximun you would pay which is about 23% discount and may get it even cheaper.
The way Autoebid works is they know Ford dealers that will give this price and then contact all the dealers so in effect it is a reverse auction and the dealers bid lower to get the deal,
I am surprised that there is a much better discount for the diesel as I would have thought a lot of company car drivers would go for it and overall be the better seller.
These days you cannot drive anywhere near the top speeds and I will go for the diesel as it will still be quite rapid,cheaper to tax and whatever however you drive it will get 25 more mph.
The way Autoebid works is they know Ford dealers that will give this price and then contact all the dealers so in effect it is a reverse auction and the dealers bid lower to get the deal,
I am surprised that there is a much better discount for the diesel as I would have thought a lot of company car drivers would go for it and overall be the better seller.
These days you cannot drive anywhere near the top speeds and I will go for the diesel as it will still be quite rapid,cheaper to tax and whatever however you drive it will get 25 more mph.
I am looking at a ST-2 diesel as a potential company car next year, the car I am about to be given has to go back in January. Do you know the delivery dates of the new Focus ST?
Unfortunately I cannot add any options and I have to go for Ford or Vauxhall, so my current thought is a Focus ST-2 estate diesel or maybe a Titanium X 1.5 TDCI to get the tax liability down. I would think the diesel would be good in this, I have had a 2.0 TDCI mondeo in the past and that had good performance for what it was.
The ST does look good, I think ST-2 has the Recaro seats, although it is a shame there are a few things missing on the spec, unfortunately I cannot stretch to the ST-3 due to list pricing.
Unfortunately I cannot add any options and I have to go for Ford or Vauxhall, so my current thought is a Focus ST-2 estate diesel or maybe a Titanium X 1.5 TDCI to get the tax liability down. I would think the diesel would be good in this, I have had a 2.0 TDCI mondeo in the past and that had good performance for what it was.
The ST does look good, I think ST-2 has the Recaro seats, although it is a shame there are a few things missing on the spec, unfortunately I cannot stretch to the ST-3 due to list pricing.
I have seen it written from Ford sources that the new ST is unlikely to be available before February 2015, so in the real world that means you shouldnt be looking to buy one before 1st March.
All ST models have Recaro front seats - fabric in ST1, part leather in ST2, and full leather, electric and heated in ST3.
The ST3 also has a rear Recaro bench seat.
For only a £300 price difference i would personally have the petrol. The top speed is irrelevant as you say, but the acceleration of the petrol is seriously quicker than the diesel, and is something you can use every day if you want to. Trust me it is addictive.
Having said that the diesel will be very much cheaper to run.....so you pays your money and takes your choice.
All ST models have Recaro front seats - fabric in ST1, part leather in ST2, and full leather, electric and heated in ST3.
The ST3 also has a rear Recaro bench seat.
For only a £300 price difference i would personally have the petrol. The top speed is irrelevant as you say, but the acceleration of the petrol is seriously quicker than the diesel, and is something you can use every day if you want to. Trust me it is addictive.
Having said that the diesel will be very much cheaper to run.....so you pays your money and takes your choice.
Edited by Ron240 on Monday 10th November 20:07
When I contacted Autoebid to querie the prices they said for me to look tomorrow and they will be correct.
I see that they have the Saloon ST2 plus Nav at 20845 but strangely the Estate at 19522 and I would have thought the Estate should be 1000-1500 more than the saloon.
If these prices are the same tomorrow I will order a Estate ST2 plus Nav and if they tell me the price is wrong use their E-mail they sent today where they confirmed the correct prices will be on the website tomorrow.Photo the prices on the website and see how I stand legally.
If I have to pay a different price.pay it and get the difference back from the small claims court.
I see that they have the Saloon ST2 plus Nav at 20845 but strangely the Estate at 19522 and I would have thought the Estate should be 1000-1500 more than the saloon.
If these prices are the same tomorrow I will order a Estate ST2 plus Nav and if they tell me the price is wrong use their E-mail they sent today where they confirmed the correct prices will be on the website tomorrow.Photo the prices on the website and see how I stand legally.
If I have to pay a different price.pay it and get the difference back from the small claims court.
Not sure I'd trust those MPG claims. Well, even more than normal from most manufacturers. And 8 seconds to sixty is poor for a 'sporty' diesel - most SEATs will be giving that grief, never mind some of the slightly bigger-engined ones and/or small saloons.
Still, I imagine it's ripe for a remap.
Still, I imagine it's ripe for a remap.
spud989 said:
Not sure I'd trust those MPG claims. Well, even more than normal from most manufacturers. And 8 seconds to sixty is poor for a 'sporty' diesel - most SEATs will be giving that grief, never mind some of the slightly bigger-engined ones and/or small saloons.
Still, I imagine it's ripe for a remap.
Wish people will stop spouting 0-60 with dervs being poor. Diesels are not designed for traffic light GP. They are all about the midrange torque on the move.Still, I imagine it's ripe for a remap.
The 8 seconds is roughly the same as the GTD (which is the "sporty" diesel). So do not see the issue really.
This car is focused at company car drivers who want a bit of a sporty look/feel (again, the GTD's market)
SteBrown91 said:
spud989 said:
Not sure I'd trust those MPG claims. Well, even more than normal from most manufacturers. And 8 seconds to sixty is poor for a 'sporty' diesel - most SEATs will be giving that grief, never mind some of the slightly bigger-engined ones and/or small saloons.
Still, I imagine it's ripe for a remap.
Wish people will stop spouting 0-60 with dervs being poor. Diesels are not designed for traffic light GP. They are all about the midrange torque on the move.Still, I imagine it's ripe for a remap.
The 8 seconds is roughly the same as the GTD (which is the "sporty" diesel). So do not see the issue really.
This car is focused at company car drivers who want a bit of a sporty look/feel (again, the GTD's market)
Hub said:
rehab71 said:
You'll be lucky it get one much before March, I've got a load on order but none have build dates yet.
Source: I sell Fords
Is the diesel proving a lot more popular than the petrol, as is the current trend?Source: I sell Fords
mini95 said:
Unfortunately I cannot add any options and I have to go for Ford or Vauxhall, so my current thought is a Focus ST-2 estate diesel or maybe a Titanium X 1.5 TDCI to get the tax liability down. I would think the diesel would be good in this, I have had a 2.0 TDCI mondeo in the past and that had good performance for what it was.
The ST does look good, I think ST-2 has the Recaro seats, although it is a shame there are a few things missing on the spec, unfortunately I cannot stretch to the ST-3 due to list pricing.
I can have either an ST-1 Estate or a Zetec S with all the toys, both diesel. I'd rather have the Zetec S than the Titanium X for the 'sporty' looks.The ST does look good, I think ST-2 has the Recaro seats, although it is a shame there are a few things missing on the spec, unfortunately I cannot stretch to the ST-3 due to list pricing.
It's a shame the ST-1 doesn't have cruise control as standard or even an option as I'd have that one in the blink of an eye! Anyone know how easy it is to retrofit?
Steve
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