Dare G12

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mickrick

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3,705 posts

180 months

Sunday 7th November 2010
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Hi all!
Is the Dare G12 available as a Kit? Or is it a factory built car only?
As much as I hate Glasibre, it's heart achingly beautifull!
Oh, what's the reason it's not available on the road?

Snapper7

990 posts

266 months

Sunday 7th November 2010
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I understand that dare no longer supply kits. The G12 is not road legal under sva and now iva legislation on a number of account as I understand it. It is also so low that I would not want to drive one around Birmingham. Parked next to a Lotus Exige it look so small and the Exige is not a tall car.

mickrick

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3,705 posts

180 months

Sunday 7th November 2010
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Thanks for that. I see from some of the other threads, they will supply a roling car for around 20k plus the VAT.
Caterham money then, and about the same size.
Thought it would make a nice hillclimb car. But the biggest anual event here in Mallorca, is closed road sections in the mountains, and you have to drive between sections.
I can use the Seven anyway. When it's finished....... Just thinking ahead for a suitable stablemate/next project, when I've finished the three I have now. laugh

geeeman

1,311 posts

262 months

Monday 8th November 2010
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so would you need the car to be road legal?
otherwise getting a rolling chassis and then installing then engine/box would make a nice hill climb car..

mickrick

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3,705 posts

180 months

Monday 8th November 2010
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Yes it has to be driven on the road between sections.
It's not actualy a hill climb as such, more of a rally.
There are timed closed road sections, where you have to arrive at the end in a certain time. You get penalised for getting there to early, as well as too late.
Then there's a balls out race class, where you have to do the section as quickly as possible.
A new built car wouldn't actualy qualify, but you can enter as a "00" car, and do it just for the fun.
It's run over 3 days, and covers most of the mountain roads of Mallorca.

geeeman

1,311 posts

262 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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wow great looking mountain roads
could imagine a G12 eating the tarmac up..

g15wiz

57 posts

168 months

Friday 12th November 2010
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re the dare g12.....they are soon to launch a new ROAD GOING version of the G12...larger, and will pass IVA...have not seen it, but others have.. e-mails to DARE may not be answered, but phone will!!!

GTRene

17,739 posts

231 months

Friday 12th November 2010
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ow? that will be good news...
now we have to wait how its gona look like.

mickrick

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3,705 posts

180 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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Website added to favourites list. wink
Would be nice with one of these in the back. driving

GTRene

17,739 posts

231 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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yes, or that Zytek V8 they also use in the G50? and LMP cars etc



http://www.olivierpla.com/ZG348_engine.html

weighs only 120kg?
sounds good to me biggrin

Edited by GTRene on Saturday 13th November 12:24

jamesG20V6

873 posts

264 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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^ Not any more they don't.

GTRene

17,739 posts

231 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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jamesG20V6 said:
^ Not any more they don't.
hm, did just read some info about it...
so we have to wait whats gonna happen?, hope they can produce a lightweight V8 or go on were others left?

mickrick

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3,705 posts

180 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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120 Kg! yikes

Far too heavy!

The Hartley H1 comes in at 90Kg fully dressed. cool

400hp in a 500mm cube. wink Well, up to 1000hp with a couple of turbo's. I hear Jack Frost at Holeshot has done it.

(EFS)

Edited by mickrick on Saturday 13th November 16:12

GTRene

17,739 posts

231 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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biggrin I know, its a very nice engine, the Zytek has a bit more cc biggrin
the H1 with a lot of power is me thinks more fragile then that Zytek...
but thats a guess, also the H1 is expensive but I guess the Zytek too biggrin

both very nice engine's though.

radical uses powertec I believe? but I guess almost the same principle as the H1...also expensive and a bit short? lifespan?

but those type of engines transforms those lightweight cars in real monsters biggrin

mickrick

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3,705 posts

180 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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The Hayabusa engine is the toughest bike engine out there. Jack frost runs his top speed bike at just over 700hp. Turns the boost down, and rides it on the street! That's from the four pot bike engine.
400hp from the H1 is with 4mm overbore to make 2.8 ltr, mild cams, and a bit of headwork. Very mild state of tune. In fact it will be a bit more, around 420.
There are now stroked cranks available to make 3.0 ltr. Lifespan shouldn't be any less than the normal Hayabusa engine.
Billet flat plane crank too, so should sound nice with seperate exhuasts each side, without a balance pipe.
Nicosil bores.
The H1 costs the same as a new BDG. around 22k.
The powertec is a 73 degree V the H1 a 75 degree V.

There's also a H2 now, which is a billet case to take the 4 pot hayabusa top end 4 inline, and connect to a car box, i.e. Hewland. 60kgs!
I'd consider that with a Turbo for my Caterham, but it looks like he's using the alternator end of the bike engine crank, for the clutch take off. A bit weak me thinks? (Although I stand to be corrected on that one, maybe he turns the crank around the other way) I'm still saving for the H1 to put in my Seven, with a Drenth sequential.

Edited by mickrick on Saturday 13th November 17:52

GTRene

17,739 posts

231 months

Saturday 13th November 2010
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don't know to much about those special engines...

though a h1 in a seven is screaming fast, like that Caterham 2800RS Levante.
or that SV with V8
http://www.sevenbuilder.com/id/83/v8-caterham-rst-...

jpf

1,314 posts

283 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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What about the larger version of the G12? Wasn't it going to have a V6 Duratec?

Keep pushing Dare!

geeeman

1,311 posts

262 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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i think the 'big' G12 is still in the pipe-line

but, there is a Dare G12 being built for the road... to pass IVA

GTRene

17,739 posts

231 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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then what is this?

http://www.anglocars.be/index.php?option=com_autos...

its also road registered...




JTeb

122 posts

179 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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GTRene said:
then what is this?

its also road registered...
I'm sure they didn't have quite so many problems passing the IVA back in 1972 wink