Has anyone seen the new G40 yet?
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Hmm! I like the idea, reasonably powered engine and lightweight body. Affordable too!
ETA this is what Ginetta have been all about for ages. I don't know much about them but have always admired them from a distance. Could convert a few TVR/Lotus people?
ETA this is what Ginetta have been all about for ages. I don't know much about them but have always admired them from a distance. Could convert a few TVR/Lotus people?
Edited by KANEIT on Sunday 30th August 20:14
I love Ginetta's but I don't like the new sportscar designs, they're moving away from what their own design heritage has been and stands for......
I'm looking forward to the real pictures of the G40 and see if it looks better in real life than in these 3D renderings.
I'm looking forward to the real pictures of the G40 and see if it looks better in real life than in these 3D renderings.
Edited by fuoriserie on Monday 7th September 10:36
fuoriserie said:
I love Ginetta's but I don't like the new sportscar designs, they're moving away from what their own design heritage has been and stands for......
Can't agree with that. While the most easily recognised Ginetta design and shapes may be those of the G12, G4, G20/27, G33 etc., Ginetta has also produced reasonable numbers of coupes in the form of the G15, G21 and G32 and even saloons in the form of the G26, G28, G30 and G31.A lightweight, relatively low powered, great handling, affordable car is exactly what the Ginetta heritage is about. And before someone comments on affordable, yes the mid 20K range for this type of turnkey car is very affordable.
fuoriserie said:
I love Ginetta's but I don't like the new sportscar designs, they're moving away from what their own design heritage has been and stands for......
That is your opinion and totally acceptable.We have the classic designs and we can keep working on and driving those gems.
The new G40 - personally I have a larger objection about reusing model numbers, but that is a Ginetta tradition, too - is not a Walklett design as I understand, only the Ginetta name remains the same. But that is how tradition is built, isn't it? People come and go, the name remains.
The new G40 design is more suited for today. I think it's well proportioned, but I would not swap my G15 for it.
The G40 concept looks great, and I admire everything that LNT have done on the racing side since acquiring the business - good on them.
That said, the mountain they need to climb in producing a quality, affordable road car is enormous, and I am not sure that it is achievable in the current climate, given what the car-buying public demand these days. Why? - well, the estimated price for the G40 Cup car is £24,950. Given that a whole lot more bits and work will need to go into it to make it a road car, then OTR is going to be £30K+. Circumstances meant that earlier this summer I was able to buy a brand new Porsche Cayman S for well under £40K (it was an unregistered, showroom, 2008 model). Every conceivable extra is on the car - full leather interior with carbon pack, PASM, air-con, etc etc - not to mention 300 bhp and handling that puts other road cars to shame. With cars like this available, I don't see anyone but the die-hard Ginetta enthusiast wanting a G40 road car, and most of the die-hards I know don't have that sort of money to spend on their dreams...
That said, the mountain they need to climb in producing a quality, affordable road car is enormous, and I am not sure that it is achievable in the current climate, given what the car-buying public demand these days. Why? - well, the estimated price for the G40 Cup car is £24,950. Given that a whole lot more bits and work will need to go into it to make it a road car, then OTR is going to be £30K+. Circumstances meant that earlier this summer I was able to buy a brand new Porsche Cayman S for well under £40K (it was an unregistered, showroom, 2008 model). Every conceivable extra is on the car - full leather interior with carbon pack, PASM, air-con, etc etc - not to mention 300 bhp and handling that puts other road cars to shame. With cars like this available, I don't see anyone but the die-hard Ginetta enthusiast wanting a G40 road car, and most of the die-hards I know don't have that sort of money to spend on their dreams...
g32turbo said:
fuoriserie said:
I love Ginetta's but I don't like the new sportscar designs, they're moving away from what their own design heritage has been and stands for......
A lightweight, relatively low powered, great handling, affordable car is exactly what the Ginetta heritage is about. And before someone comments on affordable, yes the mid 20K range for this type of turnkey car is very affordable.The concept is good, but the styling, in my opinion offcourse, is less so....... but will hold final judgement on the real car when its presented to the public.
fuoriserie said:
dandarez said:
Help!
(somebody asked if it(G40) was the new Lotus concept?
Non a good start if people can't tell what car it is........especially if you have very good Design heritage coming from the 60's.....(somebody asked if it(G40) was the new Lotus concept?
Broomsticklady said:
The G40 concept looks great, and I admire everything that LNT have done on the racing side since acquiring the business - good on them.
That said, the mountain they need to climb in producing a quality, affordable road car is enormous, and I am not sure that it is achievable in the current climate, given what the car-buying public demand these days. Why? - well, the estimated price for the G40 Cup car is £24,950. Given that a whole lot more bits and work will need to go into it to make it a road car, then OTR is going to be £30K+. Circumstances meant that earlier this summer I was able to buy a brand new Porsche Cayman S for well under £40K (it was an unregistered, showroom, 2008 model). Every conceivable extra is on the car - full leather interior with carbon pack, PASM, air-con, etc etc - not to mention 300 bhp and handling that puts other road cars to shame. With cars like this available, I don't see anyone but the die-hard Ginetta enthusiast wanting a G40 road car, and most of the die-hards I know don't have that sort of money to spend on their dreams...
Hi Dave, I think I'd have to agree to all of that. That said, the mountain they need to climb in producing a quality, affordable road car is enormous, and I am not sure that it is achievable in the current climate, given what the car-buying public demand these days. Why? - well, the estimated price for the G40 Cup car is £24,950. Given that a whole lot more bits and work will need to go into it to make it a road car, then OTR is going to be £30K+. Circumstances meant that earlier this summer I was able to buy a brand new Porsche Cayman S for well under £40K (it was an unregistered, showroom, 2008 model). Every conceivable extra is on the car - full leather interior with carbon pack, PASM, air-con, etc etc - not to mention 300 bhp and handling that puts other road cars to shame. With cars like this available, I don't see anyone but the die-hard Ginetta enthusiast wanting a G40 road car, and most of the die-hards I know don't have that sort of money to spend on their dreams...
I have had a close inspection of some G50s - ok, they are race cars, but the rippling grp I saw on a couple is not acceptable today for road cars. The G40 as you say, is not 'really' a road car - so whilst LNT are putting the marque on the racing map again (and in a 'big' way) the road car side of the business has yet to materialise. Even the electric G50EV body looked rippled when I saw it or perhaps it's my eyes? It got a decent review in Autocar (must be the first Ginetta test for an age).
Anyhow, I suppose I could be pigeon-holed as a die-hard (ha ha) as I'd been waiting for the possibility of your car dropping even further at Spadge's. I hadn't reckoned with the Euro though and see it's suddenly gone now to Austria, and the other G4 has gone to Italy.
However, I'm not kicking myself. Had a thought of parting with our MINI JCW but will hang on to it a bit longer now. It was expensive for what it is BUT residuals are so strong that I reckon even now after eight months I won't lose hardly anything as this model is sought after. Cannot compare to the earlier so called JCW. It handles superbly, has all leather and the seats have to be the best thing for my back for an age. Stops on a sixpence from high speed. Could go on. Plus it goes like stink, the twin scroll turbo 210bhp from a 1.6, probably the most fun I have had since a Ginetta.
But I am worried about my clean licence!
So I will just keep my eyes open, if a Dare G4 comes up I'll have a look but the price has to be right. Bob used to say 'price is everything' and I think he's still right.
Might be another DZ up for sale so I will have a look at that in the hope I don't get gazumped this time!
Incidentally, Dave, how is Nina?
i think i would agree with fuoriserie on the basis of the styling.
although im quite keen on the G50 its not a design that truly stands out, the G40 even less so..
A big part of any sports car is its shape/aesthetics, and while the new designs are fairly attractive they are also very non-descript and the Ginetta 'Ginettics' has definitely been diluted... Of course Ginetta built saloons and other road/sports, but their most famous designs are those relating to the g4/12/15 theme..
Id love to see a totally modern car but styling wise based on or apeing the G4 or G12, as these are timeless shapes, a bit like what ford did with the Ford GT, they could never have made a car with better lines from scratch so they looked back at their heritage.... the 60s designs are classic and would still look elegant today
although im quite keen on the G50 its not a design that truly stands out, the G40 even less so..
A big part of any sports car is its shape/aesthetics, and while the new designs are fairly attractive they are also very non-descript and the Ginetta 'Ginettics' has definitely been diluted... Of course Ginetta built saloons and other road/sports, but their most famous designs are those relating to the g4/12/15 theme..
Id love to see a totally modern car but styling wise based on or apeing the G4 or G12, as these are timeless shapes, a bit like what ford did with the Ford GT, they could never have made a car with better lines from scratch so they looked back at their heritage.... the 60s designs are classic and would still look elegant today
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