Camber adjustment G27

Camber adjustment G27

Author
Discussion

Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Thursday 23rd July 2009
quotequote all
anybody modified the front suspension on a G4/S4 or G27 to get a possibility to adjust the camber?

jamesG20V6

873 posts

264 months

Friday 24th July 2009
quotequote all
Yes.
G20 upper and lower wishbones and G20 front uprights. It all bolts straight on.

blitzracing

6,410 posts

227 months

Friday 24th July 2009
quotequote all
If its like the G33, its all rose joints on the wishbones, so you just wind them in or out.

Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Friday 24th July 2009
quotequote all
ok..thats not modified imo, thats a bolt on new construction.




Darkspeed

120 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th July 2009
quotequote all
All depends on what you have at the moment -if its triumph derived then there is the option of adjustable upper wishbones

Andrew

Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
quotequote all
yeah, triumph based.

how do you adjust the upper wishbone and what is the advantage in doing this, as the non-tiltable trunnion on the bottom will give the direction ( and the camber angle)?

Edited by Comadis on Sunday 26th July 18:00

DomG27

3 posts

184 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
quotequote all
You can change the triumph suspension to make camber and caster adjustable, which I have done on my G27, but it's not cheep (£700+) as it is effectively all new. The car is a series 3 G27 with live axle rear and had GT6 front suspension with a front arb (11/16 inch with rose joint links). I used Spyder Engineering adjustable wishbones (specials to order) and Canley Classics Caterham style uprights (these need standard Triumph lower wishbones to fit not the Ginetta round tube ones). I fitted red polybush lower bushes and use a good quality camber gauge to set caster and camber and not the cheap bubble ones. Camber caster adjustments take 30mins but getting it right takes days!

I set caster to 3 degrees pos and camber to 1.1 deg neg (adjustable to 3 deg neg) with ride height at 5 inches to bottom of chassis rail under rear lower wishbone mount. Still testing but this set-up works well for me.

Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
quotequote all
by the way: what is the reason Ginetta suplied 2 differnt length of sleved spacers for fixing the lower wishbones to the chassis. the shorter one (1 1/2")should be mounted towards the front. the 1 5/8" to the back.
cause of the castor?

the built manual also says that the anti rollbar eyelet should face backwards. is the reason that the wishbones arent symetric?


DomG27

3 posts

184 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
quotequote all
Don't think spacers have much to do with caster as 1/8 inch would only alter caster by 0.85 degree at most, also the wishbone position is constrained by the outer mount points.

Curious about your manual, on the G27 pages I have it says the ARB eye must point forward and either Ginetta or Triumph wishbones can be used. Have you measured the L wishbone to see if it's asymmetric?

Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Monday 27th July 2009
quotequote all
hi. sorry...my mistake....the antirollbar eylets should face to the front of the car!!


Darkspeed

120 posts

214 months

Thursday 30th July 2009
quotequote all
You would need to change the upper wishbones to an adustable type like the Caterham - using the Fiat/FSO track rod end for the top ball joint.

Not sure that the description ypu are giving of the trunnion is translating very well.

What Camber do you have at the moment and what are you trying to achieve - I have seen it made adjustable crudely by elongating the ball joint holes to give adjustment up to a degree or so.


Comadis said:
yeah, triumph based.

how do you adjust the upper wishbone and what is the advantage in doing this, as the non-tiltable trunnion on the bottom will give the direction ( and the camber angle)?

Edited by Comadis on Sunday 26th July 18:00

Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Thursday 30th July 2009
quotequote all
lets clarify first my "old" questions:

1. what is the reason Ginetta suplied 2 differnt length of sleved spacers for fixing the lower wishbones to the chassis?


2. why the built manual demands the fitting direction of the lower wishbones (antirollbar mounting point to the front)?




Edited by Comadis on Saturday 1st August 08:50

Volker

86 posts

230 months

Friday 31st July 2009
quotequote all
how would you build a double wishbone suspension without a tiltable trunnion (or ball joint)? rolleyes

Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Friday 31st July 2009
quotequote all
was a mistake in explaining. due to the construction a ball joint can move in every direction, whereas on a trunion these movements are split into 2 separate areas.


Comadis

Original Poster:

1,731 posts

230 months

Saturday 1st August 2009
quotequote all
another update:

i fitted these lower wishbone spacers according to the construction manual. i also used the demanded amount of washers. (1 piece facing towards the bush)

unfortunately i do have some play between the (short)spacer and the chassis which results in a wobbling stearing wheel during drivin. the play is more on the left than on the right side. to get rid of this play i used another washer on the right and 2 additional ones on the left.


what the hell has ginetta thought in constructing it like that? there must be a reason but i do not have any idea!!

i measured the spacers: they have exactly the length which is written in the manual.







Edited by Comadis on Saturday 1st August 19:16