engine changes
Discussion
I am going to put a duratec V6 in to my 1986 G26 I also intend to fit sierra front hubs ,and irs and maybe the mt75 gearbox
what are the considerations regards dvla i know I need to inform them of the engine change but do I need to tell them about the other modifications ?
will I need cats the engine is from a 2000 car ?
I am doing the converstions as a learning exersise
Dan
what are the considerations regards dvla i know I need to inform them of the engine change but do I need to tell them about the other modifications ?
will I need cats the engine is from a 2000 car ?
I am doing the converstions as a learning exersise
Dan
Justin-W said:
A catalystic converter goes by chassis age not engine age, so providing your car is made prior to 91?
Are you sure? My G27, when SVA'd in 2000, needed no CAT due to engine age though the chassis was 1999.Emmissions limits for MOT are shown on my V5C so I suspect if I notified DVLA I'd changed the engine my new V5C would be updated with different emmissions figures thus requiring a CAT to meet them.
No, you won't need cats. The emissions are decided at the date of registration of the car and don't change irrespective of putting a new engine in. You will only require a visible smoke test. It ain't the easiest of engines to get running with an aftermarket ecu by the way as i have found out.
Also i have just remembered that i have failed to send through your headlight mounting diagram g32turbo.... i'm onto it!
Also i have just remembered that i have failed to send through your headlight mounting diagram g32turbo.... i'm onto it!
Cheers James,
Thought my anti spam software must have deleted your mail. On the question of engine changes my G27 is in serious need of an update. The Pinto has just about given up the ghost with oil and water leaks everywhere. So what to go for?
V6 is very nice (got one in my X-type) but I'm assuming a pig to get installed and running right.
Zetec easy to fit and loads about in G20's so help available if I need it.
Like the sound of the RAW Toyota 20v too
Decisions, decisions.
Thought my anti spam software must have deleted your mail. On the question of engine changes my G27 is in serious need of an update. The Pinto has just about given up the ghost with oil and water leaks everywhere. So what to go for?
V6 is very nice (got one in my X-type) but I'm assuming a pig to get installed and running right.
Zetec easy to fit and loads about in G20's so help available if I need it.
Like the sound of the RAW Toyota 20v too
Decisions, decisions.
jamesG20V6 said:
You will only require a visible smoke test.
Quite funny at my MOT last year as I knew the valve stem oil seals needed doing but the tester passed it on the smoke test with an advisory that I look at it a.s.a.p. 
Moved off the ramp onto the brake tester and caught the throttle while pressing the brake pedal. Nearly choked the poor bugger along with everyone else inside the garage.
I wrote the above in a slightly bad mood this morning. To be honest it wouldn't be that difficult running a dta or mbe engine management system actually. The system i have is a bit more of a challenge. The v6 is cheap as chips to buy and runs fine on the standard induction. It mates to a cosworth T5 gearbox easily enough using off the shelf bellhousing from morgan origin or an adapter plate.
I think if i was building another i would have a serious look at the BMW straight sixes currently being fitted into the GKD evolution, although i'm not sure if chassis mods are required. Failing that the duratec engines 2.0 or 2.3 four pots will give you the exhaust on the correct side as the pinto and seems the obvious choice. Performance gains will be impressive i would have thought over the pinto if it is tired.
I think if i was building another i would have a serious look at the BMW straight sixes currently being fitted into the GKD evolution, although i'm not sure if chassis mods are required. Failing that the duratec engines 2.0 or 2.3 four pots will give you the exhaust on the correct side as the pinto and seems the obvious choice. Performance gains will be impressive i would have thought over the pinto if it is tired.
It originally had a 2.0L pinto in it but it was wearing out, I new something was wrong when a diesel Mondeo beat me off the lights. When deciding what engine to put in it I was going to get a Zetec but the exhaust was on the wrong side. After lots of research I decided on the Duratec as it’s more tuneable and reliable. I think it is more expensive to put a Duratec in as they don’t use the standard Ford bellhousing and have a hydraulic clutch.
I will be going in for its MOT re-test next week so I should be able to tell you what its like.
I will be going in for its MOT re-test next week so I should be able to tell you what its like.
browser07 said:
I am going to put a duratec V6 in to my 1986 G26 I also intend to fit sierra front hubs ,and irs and maybe the mt75 gearbox
what are the considerations regards dvla i know I need to inform them of the engine change but do I need to tell them about the other modifications ?
will I need cats the engine is from a 2000 car ?
I am doing the converstions as a learning exersise
Dan
How are you getting on with this? I still havent got an engine sorted for my G31 yet, and if yours goes well I may consider a V6 what are the considerations regards dvla i know I need to inform them of the engine change but do I need to tell them about the other modifications ?
will I need cats the engine is from a 2000 car ?
I am doing the converstions as a learning exersise
Dan
how are you going to mate the v6 to your gearbox? I dont think it will bolt straight on?as for the DVLA all you need to tell them is youve changed the engine capacity and maybe the engine numbers, apparentley you'll need proof from a garage or something as well!!!
well I havent done much to the car I have been doing university work as i have deadlines soon
I am planing to use and adapter plate something simular to this
http://www.key-ideas.com/DGKurTwo2112402Update.htm...
but my gearbox has an intergral bellhousing so will be a bit more difficult
and I beleve an enginers report would prove it as that was what the dvla wanted when i had my road car converted from petrol to diesel
I think a pedal box will be needed for clearance , and the sump will need modifing (will probs baffle mine )besides that I havent got any ideas
james how have you mounted your alternator ?
and where are your engine mounts ? I was going to use the front as the mondeo one on a cross member welded across the chassis and a sort of yoke bolted to the bellhouseing to mount the rear and put cortina polybush mounts on the subframe to suport it
Dan
I am planing to use and adapter plate something simular to this
http://www.key-ideas.com/DGKurTwo2112402Update.htm...
but my gearbox has an intergral bellhousing so will be a bit more difficult
and I beleve an enginers report would prove it as that was what the dvla wanted when i had my road car converted from petrol to diesel
I think a pedal box will be needed for clearance , and the sump will need modifing (will probs baffle mine )besides that I havent got any ideas
james how have you mounted your alternator ?
and where are your engine mounts ? I was going to use the front as the mondeo one on a cross member welded across the chassis and a sort of yoke bolted to the bellhouseing to mount the rear and put cortina polybush mounts on the subframe to suport it
Dan
Hello mate, I've just been reading the above with interest as I built james' v6 g20, the gearbox/duratec V6 was a right pain from the off as already mentioned the bolt pattern is completely different to the rest of the ford range. The original gearbox I used was the capri/granada v6, the bellhousing must be a v6 because of the flywheel diameter.
The main factor is the starter motor, have you got enough room to put the starter down along the sump between the chassis rails, if so no problem, the adaptor plate like the one in the above link will work fine, james' has his in the original mondeo position on the back on top of the bellhousing as there was no clearance along the chassis rails, I had to make an adaptor plate incorporating the starter mounting and heavily modifying the bellhousing.
The alternator is mounted in centre of the vee but the body is in front of the engine, basically mounted backwards as you look at it.
I think I would source a jag s type or morgan bellhousing and gearbox, I think these are ZF items and will bolt straight on.
Regards Simon
The main factor is the starter motor, have you got enough room to put the starter down along the sump between the chassis rails, if so no problem, the adaptor plate like the one in the above link will work fine, james' has his in the original mondeo position on the back on top of the bellhousing as there was no clearance along the chassis rails, I had to make an adaptor plate incorporating the starter mounting and heavily modifying the bellhousing.
The alternator is mounted in centre of the vee but the body is in front of the engine, basically mounted backwards as you look at it.
I think I would source a jag s type or morgan bellhousing and gearbox, I think these are ZF items and will bolt straight on.
Regards Simon
What he said ^ !
If you are going to the hassle of doing it start with the St200 engine, it would be daft not to now they are cheap. The Morgan bellhousing will save you a lot of headache. If you are using aftermarket ecu i would ditch the secondry butterflies on the inlet manifold, good free power gains to be had with no noticeable loss of torque in a light car.
If you are going to the hassle of doing it start with the St200 engine, it would be daft not to now they are cheap. The Morgan bellhousing will save you a lot of headache. If you are using aftermarket ecu i would ditch the secondry butterflies on the inlet manifold, good free power gains to be had with no noticeable loss of torque in a light car.
Edited by jamesG20V6 on Wednesday 13th May 19:43
After mulling over all the pro's and cons of the various engine options out there for my G27 I've decided on the brand new 2 litre Zetec plus focus R 160 kit fom Raceline. Overall it seemed to be the best option for me in terms of practicality, ease of installation and cost.
Order went in yesterday, hoping to start on the conversion in a couple of weeks. Really fancied that Duratec but even with a used engine the final cost was going to be around 50% more than the new Zetec.
Order went in yesterday, hoping to start on the conversion in a couple of weeks. Really fancied that Duratec but even with a used engine the final cost was going to be around 50% more than the new Zetec.
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