Damaged G27 at ebay---anybody knows the car
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item no. 400039892784
the seller says : the chassis is not bent. it does not need to be put on a jigg. it needs fitting the body panels and a respray.
than he says (to somebody else): it might be better to check the chassis.
wondering why it has 4 new alloys and why the car is sold by a paintshop when it does need "only" the body panels fitted and a respray.
anybody knows more about the car and its history. why its damaged? where it was damaged? why the damage isnt categorized?
the seller says : the chassis is not bent. it does not need to be put on a jigg. it needs fitting the body panels and a respray.
than he says (to somebody else): it might be better to check the chassis.
wondering why it has 4 new alloys and why the car is sold by a paintshop when it does need "only" the body panels fitted and a respray.
anybody knows more about the car and its history. why its damaged? where it was damaged? why the damage isnt categorized?
Edited by Comadis on Sunday 29th March 23:28
If you read the item it's listed as a G27 Prototype. Looking at the bonnet panel it is indeed a different shape nose to the standard G27 of that variant (last of the Walkett Bros Ginetta/ Martin Phaff acquisition era)
Looks a rather nice example to me if I didn't have a G27 of the same era myself already I'd go look at it. Vegantune engine in it too
Not at all sure that the year is correct though I think 1968 should read 1988 but it says it has the log book
Looks a rather nice example to me if I didn't have a G27 of the same era myself already I'd go look at it. Vegantune engine in it too
Not at all sure that the year is correct though I think 1968 should read 1988 but it says it has the log book
Edited by qdos on Monday 30th March 07:17
I'd check that out before going anywhere near it. Prototype? Of what?
As pointed out the year is wildly out - I mentioned this to the ebay lister yesterday but nothing has been corrected yet.
Even 1988 would be wrong.
The G27 (Walklett era) was introduced in 1985.
The giveaway is the doors - (unless they too have been replaced) had the Ginetta G shape with a handle!
Late Phaff era cars didn't.
But it doesn't add up - the bonnet actually looks like the original Mark Walklett design (Mark did much work on the G27 and of course raced his Mazda powered car). The bonnet pictured in primer could be moulded from a Walklett era G27.
I suspect this is a Phaff era car when the G27 was re-introduced after the company went bust in the 90s. Initially, it resembled little more than a revamped G4 Series IV -even with a live rear axle.
As for this being a 'proper' prototype, no way, plus Vegatune power?, unless there is something I am missing!
At current bidding though, could be good buy. If bidding increases, make sure you check it out first.
Ah just realised it has a reserve. NO WAY unless reserve is low would I bid without more info or preferably going and viewing first.
As pointed out the year is wildly out - I mentioned this to the ebay lister yesterday but nothing has been corrected yet.
Even 1988 would be wrong.
The G27 (Walklett era) was introduced in 1985.
The giveaway is the doors - (unless they too have been replaced) had the Ginetta G shape with a handle!
Late Phaff era cars didn't.
But it doesn't add up - the bonnet actually looks like the original Mark Walklett design (Mark did much work on the G27 and of course raced his Mazda powered car). The bonnet pictured in primer could be moulded from a Walklett era G27.
I suspect this is a Phaff era car when the G27 was re-introduced after the company went bust in the 90s. Initially, it resembled little more than a revamped G4 Series IV -even with a live rear axle.
As for this being a 'proper' prototype, no way, plus Vegatune power?, unless there is something I am missing!
At current bidding though, could be good buy. If bidding increases, make sure you check it out first.
Ah just realised it has a reserve. NO WAY unless reserve is low would I bid without more info or preferably going and viewing first.
Edited by dandarez on Monday 30th March 09:37
Edited by dandarez on Monday 30th March 09:39
I tend to agree with a fair bit of your comments Dan
Actually I'm wondering if this was a car built by Fereday Cars originally, they did a very nice yellow one that would fit the era. I'd hazard a guess that the Prototype description is referring to the modified nose and I wonder if it was someone like GKD looking at doing something to the G27. My G27 is a Martin Phaff transition one and the GRP was absolutely dreadful whilst it had the handless doors you could very easily see where they had been and none of the panels fitted I had to totally redo the bodywork to sort it out.
I still think it's worth a look though, definitely is if it's the Fereday car
Actually I'm wondering if this was a car built by Fereday Cars originally, they did a very nice yellow one that would fit the era. I'd hazard a guess that the Prototype description is referring to the modified nose and I wonder if it was someone like GKD looking at doing something to the G27. My G27 is a Martin Phaff transition one and the GRP was absolutely dreadful whilst it had the handless doors you could very easily see where they had been and none of the panels fitted I had to totally redo the bodywork to sort it out.
I still think it's worth a look though, definitely is if it's the Fereday car
Edited by qdos on Monday 30th March 09:43
its the fereday car....thats what i already know. the date of 1st reg is 1968..this is for sure.
and the car was advertiized half year ago already ...with the same "high quality" pictures....the seller says he organized the body panels froma company who did them in the past for ginetta..but they are some lightweight ones.
strange is that the car is in a sprayshop, with all its facilities...and the seller says that it only needs bodywork to do...this doesnt match togehter...i pressume the chassis is bent.
i also have some pictures of the car when it was undamaged:
outside, inside , enginebay very nice (like new)...suspension parts rusty/rotten.
and the car was advertiized half year ago already ...with the same "high quality" pictures....the seller says he organized the body panels froma company who did them in the past for ginetta..but they are some lightweight ones.
strange is that the car is in a sprayshop, with all its facilities...and the seller says that it only needs bodywork to do...this doesnt match togehter...i pressume the chassis is bent.
i also have some pictures of the car when it was undamaged:
outside, inside , enginebay very nice (like new)...suspension parts rusty/rotten.
i know what is written in the V5.... the car is correctly registrated 1968 as ginetta.
have you seen the v5 or was this info transfered from somebody to you? did you get this info from the ebay-member or from the seller?
it really seams that these guys (the seller and the owner) do not know how to sell a car, both cant provide detailed and proved infos.
have you seen the v5 or was this info transfered from somebody to you? did you get this info from the ebay-member or from the seller?
it really seams that these guys (the seller and the owner) do not know how to sell a car, both cant provide detailed and proved infos.
Edited by Comadis on Tuesday 31st March 18:04
Ok, I follow it now. It was 'Prototype' that misled me, thinking it was supposed to be something from the factory.
However, when I built a couple of new kits I can't recall the year of the donor being mentioned on the log book?
Is this though worth 4k? Don't think so at all. And as mentioned you have to ask the question why, if in a bodyshop, the work is not completed or at very least the panels sprayed and fitted up.
Plus, as it's a bodyshop with all that dust and crap floating around you would think they would have sealed up the fuel tank entry pipe!
However, when I built a couple of new kits I can't recall the year of the donor being mentioned on the log book?
Is this though worth 4k? Don't think so at all. And as mentioned you have to ask the question why, if in a bodyshop, the work is not completed or at very least the panels sprayed and fitted up.
Plus, as it's a bodyshop with all that dust and crap floating around you would think they would have sealed up the fuel tank entry pipe!
The article states Marina - and the axles are actually pretty good - wider than the Escort Mk1/2 - Caterham used them for the same reason as on this car - Same wheel PCD bolt as the Triumph front hubs.
Vegantune engine adds a bit of value but like you its a £2K project - needs loads of work and is worth say £5K if it was mint?
Andrew
Vegantune engine adds a bit of value but like you its a £2K project - needs loads of work and is worth say £5K if it was mint?
Andrew
only 5k in mint condition?
buying this for 2, investing time and money..so its cheaper (and less stressful) at the end to buy a proper car from the beginning?
the vegantune engine is interesting on 1st view, but form the realistic point of view, it will add another critical part to the car, which may turn out in an "expensive" part in case of damage or overhaul.
the seller can keep the engine, sell it elswhere, drop down the sales price on 1000pound and i would fit a x-flow engine.
buying this for 2, investing time and money..so its cheaper (and less stressful) at the end to buy a proper car from the beginning?
the vegantune engine is interesting on 1st view, but form the realistic point of view, it will add another critical part to the car, which may turn out in an "expensive" part in case of damage or overhaul.
the seller can keep the engine, sell it elswhere, drop down the sales price on 1000pound and i would fit a x-flow engine.
car is sold for 3500 to a friend.
the chassis has not suffered from the accident and is straight.
the rusty front wishbones have been already replaced by fabricated stainless items. engine runs, electrics work.
finally the car needs a lot of work on body, incl. a complete quality respray.
the chassis has not suffered from the accident and is straight.
the rusty front wishbones have been already replaced by fabricated stainless items. engine runs, electrics work.
finally the car needs a lot of work on body, incl. a complete quality respray.
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