G22: Know /have any details of this car?
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G22: would like to learn more about it.
Anyone with body-off details at all?
Graham
http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/picture/index.eh...
Anyone with body-off details at all?
Graham
http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/picture/index.eh...
Originally intended for Sports 2000 racing in late 70s with 2.0 power. Unusual in that it wasn't influenced by any previous Ginetta designs.
Later Thundersports car mid 1980s (similar body shape but that's all) the G29...
that would be some hill climb machine!!
Ran if I remember correctly with a 2.4 300 bhp Mazda rotary engine - did a fair few races in 86 and I saw and was nearly deafened by it - noisest car on the grids that year.
Not sure if Ivor and Mark still have it - if not, where it went?
Later Thundersports car mid 1980s (similar body shape but that's all) the G29...
that would be some hill climb machine!!
Ran if I remember correctly with a 2.4 300 bhp Mazda rotary engine - did a fair few races in 86 and I saw and was nearly deafened by it - noisest car on the grids that year.
Not sure if Ivor and Mark still have it - if not, where it went?
Interesting!
I later found a small picture of a G22 on a Jap site with the car in red and a hillclimb timing 'strut' on the front.
Were many made?
This restored one didn't sell, but a unique car (that nobody there wanted).
With a nice 2 litre, the G22 would be a good hillclimber, but the looks are a bit challenging. I wonder what the running gear is like under the shell?
Graham.
I later found a small picture of a G22 on a Jap site with the car in red and a hillclimb timing 'strut' on the front.
Were many made?
This restored one didn't sell, but a unique car (that nobody there wanted).
With a nice 2 litre, the G22 would be a good hillclimber, but the looks are a bit challenging. I wonder what the running gear is like under the shell?
Graham.
Too true. The pic above was off the Bonam's site.
There was a G12 also in the auction; what did that fetch? It was a Dare 2003 est @ 17 to 20K.
Found a red G22 hillclimbing in 2007 in Scotland.
One site claims the G22 was ''uncompetative'' presumably in Sports 2000.
The bonham car started life with a BDA! Now has a 1600 crossflow on Webbers.
Was it the looks or the obscurity of the G22 that left it behind?
There was a G12 also in the auction; what did that fetch? It was a Dare 2003 est @ 17 to 20K.
Found a red G22 hillclimbing in 2007 in Scotland.
One site claims the G22 was ''uncompetative'' presumably in Sports 2000.
The bonham car started life with a BDA! Now has a 1600 crossflow on Webbers.
Was it the looks or the obscurity of the G22 that left it behind?
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/pu...
not a dare-built car, but using some dare parts...
Good value i think- maybe convert to road use?!
not a dare-built car, but using some dare parts...
Good value i think- maybe convert to road use?!
Thus that 'G12' is the perfect hillclimb car, but with a torquey engine!
Thanks for the info, that car is just right for a hillclimber.
I can't quite see the relavance of the chassis question esp as it has been in racing for years, but a hybrid like that is ideal as hillclimbs are VERY open minded about such details.
Looks like the car has a 'hardtop' added?
As to the G22: The classic class Sports 2000 are populated by the stunning Lola T 492 which are so hard to find, but the others of the era are quite quirky.
Thanks for the info, that car is just right for a hillclimber.
I can't quite see the relavance of the chassis question esp as it has been in racing for years, but a hybrid like that is ideal as hillclimbs are VERY open minded about such details.
Looks like the car has a 'hardtop' added?
As to the G22: The classic class Sports 2000 are populated by the stunning Lola T 492 which are so hard to find, but the others of the era are quite quirky.
The red hillclimbing G22 is safely tucked away in deepest Aberdeenshire, having been in Northern Ireland for a few years. It has a Honda Blackbird engine, and is considerably lighter than the original. Having driven it, I would comment that the car is probably too narrow and too short to cope with the pendulum of a Ford engine/Hewland gearbox in the rear as was intended in Sports 2000.
Pity the car in the auction did not sell - it looks very well put together from the photographs.
Although visually very similar, there is not a lot in the G29 that is common to the G22. The last time I saw the 29, it was in the Dare shop on West Mersea and undergoing some restoration.
Pity the car in the auction did not sell - it looks very well put together from the photographs.
Although visually very similar, there is not a lot in the G29 that is common to the G22. The last time I saw the 29, it was in the Dare shop on West Mersea and undergoing some restoration.
Edited by G4Addicted on Monday 31st March 23:57
Edited by G4Addicted on Monday 31st March 23:58
Thankyou very much for the pictures of the G22.
I saw the red car listed in the result sheets of a sprint in Golspie (spelling?) in 2007, and a small pic of it on a jap web page.
The more I see it the more it grows on me.
It does look narrow in the pic of the green 'Bonham' car, looks different in red!
For hill climbs I was thinking of an alloy block 4 pot.(ie Honda R spec etc)
Any idea of the weight of the stock G22?
I saw the red car listed in the result sheets of a sprint in Golspie (spelling?) in 2007, and a small pic of it on a jap web page.
The more I see it the more it grows on me.
It does look narrow in the pic of the green 'Bonham' car, looks different in red!
For hill climbs I was thinking of an alloy block 4 pot.(ie Honda R spec etc)
Any idea of the weight of the stock G22?
The body? I presume the front tub is G22 but the bike rear isn't. I have contacted Bonham's twice now about the G22 and the racer 'G12' and they will not come back to me!
''someone will call you back''
Not impressive.
The red 22 looks better from the side than the green does from the front! (IMHO)
The green 'Bonham' car looks very original to me judging from the body-off rear end pic. (rubber spider UJ's etc.)
So: what is the green 22 worth?
''someone will call you back''
Not impressive.
The red 22 looks better from the side than the green does from the front! (IMHO)
The green 'Bonham' car looks very original to me judging from the body-off rear end pic. (rubber spider UJ's etc.)
So: what is the green 22 worth?
h4887 said:
In what sense could the red car be described as a Ginetta G22?
For Gawds sake Geoff, get a life will you! It is as much a Ginetta as some of the other cars going around - at least the tub and the bodywork did all come out of the S
horpe factory. But to be honest, I really don't care what anone else things about it - it looks great, and goes a damn sight better than it would have done with a Ford Pinto and Hewland in the back for ballast.... and the guys who come to the Ginette Ecosse Challenge love it too.
Was thinking the other day that that car would make a great little trackday tool.
The "bonhams" G22 was originally built by my parents close neighbour.
I can't provide any specific details regarding the spec as i was only a lad at the time.
I remember the car was originally yellow with it's regular haunt being Curborough.
From memory i think the inherent trait with the car was understeer which didn't seem to want to be cured despite various "tweaks".
Again, from memory i don't think the G22 ever raced "in anger" in Sports 2000 despite various testing by the factory.
I believe there is a picture of the car in one of the Ginetta history books with some young lads in the back ground admiring the car (me being one of them apparently). I don't know if there is any technical data that went with the picture though.
I have some old pics of the car somewhere so i'll dig them out, although i think they were pretty much all "action" shots taken at Curborough.
Feel free to p.m me if you like with any specific questions and i'll pass them on.
Cheers.
The "bonhams" G22 was originally built by my parents close neighbour.
I can't provide any specific details regarding the spec as i was only a lad at the time.
I remember the car was originally yellow with it's regular haunt being Curborough.
From memory i think the inherent trait with the car was understeer which didn't seem to want to be cured despite various "tweaks".
Again, from memory i don't think the G22 ever raced "in anger" in Sports 2000 despite various testing by the factory.
I believe there is a picture of the car in one of the Ginetta history books with some young lads in the back ground admiring the car (me being one of them apparently). I don't know if there is any technical data that went with the picture though.
I have some old pics of the car somewhere so i'll dig them out, although i think they were pretty much all "action" shots taken at Curborough.
Feel free to p.m me if you like with any specific questions and i'll pass them on.
Cheers.
pugster said:
Was thinking the other day that that car would make a great little trackday tool.
The "bonhams" G22 was originally built by my parents close neighbour.
I can't provide any specific details regarding the spec as i was only a lad at the time.
I remember the car was originally yellow with it's regular haunt being Curborough.
From memory i think the inherent trait with the car was understeer which didn't seem to want to be cured despite various "tweaks".
Again, from memory i don't think the G22 ever raced "in anger" in Sports 2000 despite various testing by the factory.
I believe there is a picture of the car in one of the Ginetta history books with some young lads in the back ground admiring the car (me being one of them apparently). I don't know if there is any technical data that went with the picture though.
I have some old pics of the car somewhere so i'll dig them out, although i think they were pretty much all "action" shots taken at Curborough.
Feel free to p.m me if you like with any specific questions and i'll pass them on.
Cheers.
That was John Knapton's yellow G22. The "bonhams" G22 was originally built by my parents close neighbour.
I can't provide any specific details regarding the spec as i was only a lad at the time.
I remember the car was originally yellow with it's regular haunt being Curborough.
From memory i think the inherent trait with the car was understeer which didn't seem to want to be cured despite various "tweaks".
Again, from memory i don't think the G22 ever raced "in anger" in Sports 2000 despite various testing by the factory.
I believe there is a picture of the car in one of the Ginetta history books with some young lads in the back ground admiring the car (me being one of them apparently). I don't know if there is any technical data that went with the picture though.
I have some old pics of the car somewhere so i'll dig them out, although i think they were pretty much all "action" shots taken at Curborough.
Feel free to p.m me if you like with any specific questions and i'll pass them on.
Cheers.
Which of the 'lads' was you? There were only 2.
Plus a woman crossing the road looking bemused and a dog wondering what all the fuss was about!
911hillclimber said:
The body? I presume the front tub is G22 but the bike rear isn't. I have contacted Bonham's twice now about the G22 and the racer 'G12' and they will not come back to me!
''someone will call you back''
Not impressive.
The red 22 looks better from the side than the green does from the front! (IMHO)
The green 'Bonham' car looks very original to me judging from the body-off rear end pic. (rubber spider UJ's etc.)
So: what is the green 22 worth?
There are some direct tel no's on there, use those.''someone will call you back''
Not impressive.
The red 22 looks better from the side than the green does from the front! (IMHO)
The green 'Bonham' car looks very original to me judging from the body-off rear end pic. (rubber spider UJ's etc.)
So: what is the green 22 worth?
Knock the sellers down, that's what I would do. They want to sell!
Don't give up.
Or keep pestering Bonhams.
It's their job, makes me wonder why they are not doing it? WHY does it appear they don't want to 'sell' classic Ginettas? ODD.
The Dare G12 start price of £17 grand sounds a bargain to me!
With the way Ginetta Cars are progressing I can only see values increasing.
Edited by dandarez on Thursday 3rd April 10:41
dandarez said:
pugster said:
Was thinking the other day that that car would make a great little trackday tool.
The "bonhams" G22 was originally built by my parents close neighbour.
I can't provide any specific details regarding the spec as i was only a lad at the time.
I remember the car was originally yellow with it's regular haunt being Curborough.
From memory i think the inherent trait with the car was understeer which didn't seem to want to be cured despite various "tweaks".
Again, from memory i don't think the G22 ever raced "in anger" in Sports 2000 despite various testing by the factory.
I believe there is a picture of the car in one of the Ginetta history books with some young lads in the back ground admiring the car (me being one of them apparently). I don't know if there is any technical data that went with the picture though.
I have some old pics of the car somewhere so i'll dig them out, although i think they were pretty much all "action" shots taken at Curborough.
Feel free to p.m me if you like with any specific questions and i'll pass them on.
Cheers.
That was John Knapton's yellow G22. The "bonhams" G22 was originally built by my parents close neighbour.
I can't provide any specific details regarding the spec as i was only a lad at the time.
I remember the car was originally yellow with it's regular haunt being Curborough.
From memory i think the inherent trait with the car was understeer which didn't seem to want to be cured despite various "tweaks".
Again, from memory i don't think the G22 ever raced "in anger" in Sports 2000 despite various testing by the factory.
I believe there is a picture of the car in one of the Ginetta history books with some young lads in the back ground admiring the car (me being one of them apparently). I don't know if there is any technical data that went with the picture though.
I have some old pics of the car somewhere so i'll dig them out, although i think they were pretty much all "action" shots taken at Curborough.
Feel free to p.m me if you like with any specific questions and i'll pass them on.
Cheers.
Which of the 'lads' was you? There were only 2.
Plus a woman crossing the road looking bemused and a dog wondering what all the fuss was about!
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