Ginetta V8 cars, G12 roadcars and the RPA 2.6 TBE V8

[GTRene]

Hi, I'm looking a lot at Ginetta and then specialy the G12 wich I found beautiful almost as nice as the G4 but I prefer the G12.
Sadly there are almost no roadgoing versions of such car and hard to find(specialy in LHD if there are any?)
I heard somewhere that DARE is trying to make a roadgoing G12 with V8 option?
That realy would please me
Why do I love that combo? look at the pictures they tell the my story





I love that a car can open the rear like that

The G4 and the G12 like brothers...

What V8 can be fitted? I came acros this the TBE(Twin Bike Engine) POWERTEC RPA - 2.6-LITRE MACROBLOCK V8


The POWERTEC RPA - 2.6-LITRE MACROBLOCK V8 can run "reliable" 360<>380hp! and has a longer life then the older type of such V8 this one can make at least for what I understand? 20.000miles(stil low though for normal use me thinks...)

some soundclips here;

www.powertecengineering.com/v8/v8_sheruns/00002.MP3

www.powertecengineering.com/v8/v8_sheruns/00004.MP3

Transverse Installation and In-line Installation set up with all the things you want to know.

www.powertecengineering.com/v8_illus.php

combined with this paddle shift steering set up


www.powertecengineering.com/ps2.php

So does anyone no more today about specialy the G12...are there any for sale and LHD? what are the cost of a new one?

thanks
GTRene

Also other V8 Ginetta's I like to know, I know only a few, post them here with some info and "options" so I can compare them...specialy interested in closed versions or with hardtop.

Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 12th September 21:51

[G-27]

GTRene

Have a look at www.cottageclassics.co.uk/ginetta/ginettag12/ginettag12.htm

[the winner]

better still have a look at www.dareuk.com the manufacturer of G12

[GTRene]

G-27 said:

GTRene

Have a look at www.cottageclassics.co.uk/ginetta/ginettag12/ginettag12.htm

Thanks, but I already knew that site...thanks anyway
GTRene

[GTRene]

the winner said:

better still have a look at www.dareuk.com the manufacturer of G12

That website was already under my "favorits" thanks anyway,they make the G4 and G12 I think I have to send them a e-mail soon and ask some quistions about the roadversion of the G12, thanks anyway
GTRene

they also have some interesting show news! LHD G4 and their wil be a G12 on show...

www.dareuk.com/motorshow.htm

Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 13th September 09:38

[g32turbo]

GTRene said:

they also have some interesting show news! LHD G4 and their wil be a G12 on show...

www.dareuk.com/motorshow.htm

Hardly "news" GTRene. This show information is dated 2002. I share your love and enthusiasm for the G12 but sadly cannot see myself ever being in a financial position to actually own one.

[GTRene]

g32turbo said:

GTRene said:

they also have some interesting show news! LHD G4 and their wil be a G12 on show...

www.dareuk.com/motorshow.htm

Hardly "news" GTRene. This show information is dated 2002. I share your love and enthusiasm for the G12 but sadly cannot see myself ever being in a financial position to actually own one.

Ow...old news then? oops...anyway, I send them a e-mail with some quistions...
Hope the car is not that expensive...the G4 they sell from around 18K but we have to pay a lot tax 47%(btw and bpm) I aspect that the G12 will be some more...
GTRene

[g32turbo]

How about one of these, a Ginetta G20 though not with a V8 but it does have a 3.0 Jaguar V6.

[the winner]

If he likes the G12 his got taste don't make him sick !!!!!! look at styled door hinges ! for one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GTRene]

g32turbo said:

How about one of these, a Ginetta G20 though not with a V8 but it does have a 3.0 Jaguar V6.

I've seen some Ginetta G20 in the flesh but none of those racers GTR I think this is...
But to be honest the G12 realy hits me and the G4 is next, so I hope they do some more new G12 roadcars for the price of the G4 that would be nice even better with a bit longer wheelbase and V8 hope it does not hurt the cars balance and style!! because I like the G12 as pictured...but then a bit more for roaduse mostly! so I guess its gona be a bit heavier then the 600kg? they were...still lighter then the Lotus though...
GTRene

Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 13th September 21:29

[g32turbo]

the winner said:

If he likes the G12 his got taste don't make him sick

Ooops sorry, my mistake, I thought he wanted a Ginetta

[dandarez]

HOW could you/anyone remotely compare that(!) to a G12?

And are you really trying to say the G12 is not a Ginetta?

...oh this is pointless!

Edited by dandarez on Tuesday 19th September 01:26

[g32turbo]

dandarez said:

...oh this is pointless!

Hey, lighten up dandarez. The 'wink' smiley inicates it was a 'tongue in cheek' comment.

If you read some of GTRenes other posts in the kitcar forum you'd see the G12 was just one of many coupes he was considering. I'm not comparing the G12 and G20, simply adding another coupe to his list for consideration.

I dream of owning a G12 but not having a minimum of 40k to spend on a track car means it will remain just a dream.

[GTRene]

Anny suggestion can be one to considder, and indeed it can be more then one option if money alouds and DARE will make it(though have to say it would fit better in my other thread but thanks anyway)
On the moment I'm having a big set back on momey...my BMW M coupe wich I have on sale have a little problem tapping valve's caused by worn finger followers aaaaaaaa and that proberbly caused by the 3 months not driving because the police had my car in that cold period!and they parked it outside and moved it sometimes a few metrers and start the engine a short while so I guess some moistre came in and a bit rost on some parts in the head... set me back all in all 6.500,-euro to repair all that..so have to save again..bad luck! but if have to be repaired also a new better oilpump and new cams and stuff and its a 24valve unit the S54 so expensive but one positif site when I change cams I put shrick fast cams in it so not all money will be waste...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
GTRene

Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 20th September 09:56

[the winner]

My knowledge of the new G12 is limited but it is definitely longer in the cockpit area but I think it has a transverse engine arrangement possibly for the new Duratec or V6 engine. The V8 car is more mainstream Noble/boxter like. I don't think they have got a price as yet .

[g4addicted]

Try the long-cockpit G4. I am not certain that Dare are still building the 'short' car, but I have a long-cockpit version and there is plenty of room for tall people. There is one for sale on the classified part of the PH site, I think.

The last G12s were quite a lot more expensive than the G4, and pretty much built to order, I think. The G12 also has a bit of a problem with leg-room and tall folk...

[GTRene]

I'm not that tall 1.80mtr so I guess not a problem...
Also I've heard about longer wheelbase and other engine options...V6 and V8??
Also a bit more road friendly can't wait to hear more from them about tech data and ofcorse what a full sorted G12 new model would cost with the fastest engine option...
GTRene

Maybe someone can take a pieck in the DARE garage if they can see something new

Edited by GTRene on Thursday 21st September 00:05

[kash biddle]

It is my understanding that the "new" motorcycle v-8 RPA engine starts at about 32,000 u.s. dollars with rebuilds needed at around 20 hours of racing time (i have no idea what that would be in street mileage) and i have no idea what the rebuild cost would be for me the initial cost is way to high so that would not be a motor i would consider for a ginetta g4 or g12

spadge hopkins who owns cottage classics in the u.k. will build you a ginetta g12 for around 20,000 to 25,000 u.s. dollars the car would be in primer and of course would be minus a motor and transaxle you would need to talk to him personally about what 20,000 dollars will buy you the rear end of the ginetta g12 is stronger than the rear of the g4 so you might be able to handle 150 to 200 lbs of torque without upgrading the rear end but if you are wanting to go over 200 lbs of torque i fear you are looking at altering the frame, suspension, and transaxle to handle more touque most of the g12 had lotus twin cams and i believe 150 to 200 lbs of torque were tops for that engine in a racing format there was one V-8 powered g12 that raced alot of u.k. hillclimbs in the sixties and seventies but it was heavily modified to handle the increased horsepower spadge is an expert on TVR'S and ginetta's i don't believe he will alter the car for you he would be glad to build the car for you and let you work on getting the frame more rigid and altering the rear end, etc. he would gladly upgrade you brakes as you are going to need some stopping power if you are going to increase your horsepower

kash biddle
tulsa
71 tvr vixen v-8
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[GTRene]

Hi Kash, thanks for the info, and a very nice car you have, TVR Vixen V8 385hp lovely car! any pics?? was also looking for those but when I saw one I did not have the cash on that moment (old Griffith with V8 and 450ps! in germany race prepared and also for road use)

The new V8 RPA is a better version of the well known? RST-V8 indeed that engine did not last long, but the RPA seems to do 20.000miles "easely" for what I understood when I read the website a while ago...? but yep, its a bit! costly, for me to costly I'm afraid...but the idea is nice

Spadge Hopkins? I've seen the website a few times I remember but then I was surfing the net looking for cars not specialy the G12, did not knew he also makes the G12 thanks for the tip...also very interesting about that G12 V8..what specs and is the car still running?
Also I'm very curious what DARE compagnie will come up with, because I've read somewhere that they are going to build a road version of the G12 with some longer wheelbase and for a bigger engine V6 and possible V8 too...
The price Spadge is asking sounds reasonable too...
Thanks
GTRene
Some engine set ups G12 first Lotus Twin Cam engine;

Edited by GTRene on Sunday 1st October 12:44

[kash biddle]

i amy be wrong but doesn't the RPA engine have like 200 lbs of torque from its 380 ish horsepower? and over 30,000 for that type of torque just doesn't sound cost effective to me even if it will last 20,000 miles lol lol i may also be wrong but i think i saw where i can buy a Ford Ecotec four cylinder with turbocharger that is making 290 hp and 260 lbs of torque for like 8,000 u.s. dollars that would be a very nice engine to go into a g4 or g12 low weight and about 100 extra pounds of torque over a lotus twin cam

i was unable to find the owner of the g12 v-8 car i talked to spadge hopkins about the car and he had seen it race had fifteen inch tires on the rear he did say it was fast lol lol

i can guarantee you that if Dare does the g12 it will be as expensive as hell spadge can do a primered g12 for around 20,000 u.s. dollars and i believe you could modify the frame with extra tubing and go with a different transaxle for the 260 lbs of torque from the ford ecotec motor and have a killer car i have talked to Dare and for a g12 finished with a four cylinder they quoted me over 80,000 u.s. dollars and you have to remember these are not original frames or suspension systems the g4 from Dare for sure has been re-worked to a more modern set up so they are already not the same car and if they redo the g12 most everything will be "new and improved"

i do have pics of my v-8 vixen i don't know how to post pics to this website but i can send them to you if you have a email or maybe you can tell me how to post pics to this website

i also have a 73 mini cooper with a 190 hp Honda Vtech motor swap it is my wife's car the fiberglass hood is four inches longer to cover the slightly larger motor very nice car also

email me and i'll send pics of my vixen

kash biddle
tulsa
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