??? M25 JCT 10-15 Digital Cameras Going Live 15th Feb 08 ???
Discussion
Anyone else heard this or had an email forwarded from friends about it? Any resident BiB care to confirm or crush the rumour? 
Summary of email I got:
Have just been informed that as and from the 15th February 08 all the Speed Cameras in the Variable Speed Limit section of the M25 near Heathrow Airport (JCT 10-15) are going Digital and the activation limit is being lowered.
They are currently the older film type cameras and set at 90mph when the Variable Limit Signs are not in operation.
The new digital cameras are going to be set at the normal 10% 0f the speed limit + 2mph when the signs are not in use i.e. national speed limit. I can’t confirm the activation limit when the signs are set (variable limits showing) but believe it would be the same 10% + 2mph of the speed shown by the sign at that time.
Summary of email I got:
Have just been informed that as and from the 15th February 08 all the Speed Cameras in the Variable Speed Limit section of the M25 near Heathrow Airport (JCT 10-15) are going Digital and the activation limit is being lowered.
They are currently the older film type cameras and set at 90mph when the Variable Limit Signs are not in operation.
The new digital cameras are going to be set at the normal 10% 0f the speed limit + 2mph when the signs are not in use i.e. national speed limit. I can’t confirm the activation limit when the signs are set (variable limits showing) but believe it would be the same 10% + 2mph of the speed shown by the sign at that time.
Edited by john_r on Friday 1st February 08:29
As they have equipped sections of the M25 with Specs, and the number of gantry cameras in crease why take the risk, the M25 has enough accidents daily to allow them to camera the whole thing.
As to the Heathrow setup, thats a massive multi lane set-up so it would make sense to restrict it, if only so we spend more time looking for cameras, hence the rear end shunts increase, then the accident rate goes up they, lower the limit further we all slow down, shunts become so minor avopiding reports they look better. never mind the green issues.
Dave
As to the Heathrow setup, thats a massive multi lane set-up so it would make sense to restrict it, if only so we spend more time looking for cameras, hence the rear end shunts increase, then the accident rate goes up they, lower the limit further we all slow down, shunts become so minor avopiding reports they look better. never mind the green issues.
Dave
My snooper can tell if gatsos are operational, the cameras on the M25 are gatsos, why can't it tell if they're operational? I may or may not have passed the majority of the cameras on the M25 at 3 figures apart from the gantries which set off my snooper. Touch wood no tickets yet! So untill proved otherwise, as far as I'm concerned my snooper can acurately determine which cameras are active.
Gatsos work using radar. The radar is only operational when there is film in the camera. Therefore it is not the film which my detector picks up it is the radar.
The means I can tell which gatsos are operational.
Systems like your mothers work off gps which is why they have to be updated so they cantain the latest data regarding camera locations. Therefore they warn the user about every camera they pass whether they are operational or not.
The means I can tell which gatsos are operational.
Systems like your mothers work off gps which is why they have to be updated so they cantain the latest data regarding camera locations. Therefore they warn the user about every camera they pass whether they are operational or not.
Detectors technology for cameras's was dropped allong time ago, many companies still offer them but its old technology.
Most modern Camera "detectors" are actually GPS tracking units that warn you of a location, and relevant information e.g. speed, type, etc.. this is why many navigation companies have added speed camera locations on as all it is is a data base.
These Databases come from several companies from Cyclops to Enigma, many now are pan Eurpean and now so many of us pay subscriptions they are actually monitoring the planning applications for camera locations, the Police and safe speed sites for there lists enabling "risk Zones" for mobile camera sites, and of course checking on the positions we report when we press the "add location button"
As to the Laser Detection offered, this is litterally a warning that a ticket is comming, the time it takes the 2 or 3 pulse guns to record your speed is so small you'l never react in time. If you want protection against these you need to fit a secondary device. Often marketed as Garage door openers/laser jammers, these operate on the same frequency and will usually cause an error code or jam the gun for 3-8seconds allowing you to dab the brakes, they will then go to recycle and sut down for 60 seconds to allow a reading. I used to run this combination and its a real license saver for those moments of is this dual carrage way a 40 - 50 - 60 - 70mph zone? However remember interfering with police transmition of any kind is illegal.
If i am correct the UK is currenltly moving from 3 pulse to 2 pulse laser guns, and I believe we no longer utilise Radar technology as it is to easily detectable
Hope this helps, there will be a formal exam and spot tests be prepared.
I used to work in the vehicle electronics industry
Dave
Most modern Camera "detectors" are actually GPS tracking units that warn you of a location, and relevant information e.g. speed, type, etc.. this is why many navigation companies have added speed camera locations on as all it is is a data base.
These Databases come from several companies from Cyclops to Enigma, many now are pan Eurpean and now so many of us pay subscriptions they are actually monitoring the planning applications for camera locations, the Police and safe speed sites for there lists enabling "risk Zones" for mobile camera sites, and of course checking on the positions we report when we press the "add location button"
As to the Laser Detection offered, this is litterally a warning that a ticket is comming, the time it takes the 2 or 3 pulse guns to record your speed is so small you'l never react in time. If you want protection against these you need to fit a secondary device. Often marketed as Garage door openers/laser jammers, these operate on the same frequency and will usually cause an error code or jam the gun for 3-8seconds allowing you to dab the brakes, they will then go to recycle and sut down for 60 seconds to allow a reading. I used to run this combination and its a real license saver for those moments of is this dual carrage way a 40 - 50 - 60 - 70mph zone? However remember interfering with police transmition of any kind is illegal.
If i am correct the UK is currenltly moving from 3 pulse to 2 pulse laser guns, and I believe we no longer utilise Radar technology as it is to easily detectable
Hope this helps, there will be a formal exam and spot tests be prepared.
I used to work in the vehicle electronics industry
Dave
Edited by Dave B S3 on Saturday 2nd February 09:44
Dave,
Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
phillvr6 said:
Dave,
Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
One thing Ive noticed is that detection of the Gantry mounted Gatso's seems to be much less, when i used a detector, however these days with the number of gantrys etc on the M42 M25 ..... there so close together there's no real way of knowing.Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
Ive been considering cruise control for a while and with the growing use of specs and the 80mph advisory max on the 25 its looking a good idea. Sit back and relax..... Baaahhaaahaha
I think the best combo is a GPS based locator and a "Garage door opener" I had this for 4yrs never got a ticket, sold the laser unit when I changed cars and got a ticket within 6weeks! Doh!
Were going to have to agree to differ, I may or may not been through contless gatsos which did not register on my snooper at above the limit and never had a ticket.
There are also gatsos which one week will set off the snooper and the next week won't.
Based on the past 5 years using the snooper I'll continue to trust it as it hasn't done me wrong yet.
Also the only gantries on the M25 I've seen flash have been the ones that have set my snooper off.
There are also gatsos which one week will set off the snooper and the next week won't.
Based on the past 5 years using the snooper I'll continue to trust it as it hasn't done me wrong yet.
Also the only gantries on the M25 I've seen flash have been the ones that have set my snooper off.
on my rare journeys along M25, J12-15+ (5-6 times a year), i sometimes check the backs of the gantries on the other [direction] side and the gantries never seem to have anything remotely camera/box-like installed....? i never blast through above 80, but have never had a ticket for exceeding 70... if there are cameras, do they really only pick up 80mph/93mph+ speeds?
James,
A bit of light reading, this is a review of my radar detector, note they test it on an M25 Gantry and seek confirmation that other cameras in a 2 mile radius are not working:
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/snoopers5.htm
A bit of light reading, this is a review of my radar detector, note they test it on an M25 Gantry and seek confirmation that other cameras in a 2 mile radius are not working:
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/snoopers5.htm
And a bit taken from snoopers.co.uk:
Q What is a Gatso Camera?
A These are the grey boxes you see at the side of the road facing away from you. They work on K band radar and take your picture when you pass (if you are breaking the speed limit). They are not always switched on , some being empty shells, do not always have film in. They are so named after Gatsometer, a Dutch company that invented them and manufactures most of them. They are by far the most common speedtrap device in use in the UK.
Q What is a Gatso Camera?
A These are the grey boxes you see at the side of the road facing away from you. They work on K band radar and take your picture when you pass (if you are breaking the speed limit). They are not always switched on , some being empty shells, do not always have film in. They are so named after Gatsometer, a Dutch company that invented them and manufactures most of them. They are by far the most common speedtrap device in use in the UK.
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Were getting there,I agree my snooper detects all Gatsos with active radar.
I agree it cannot tell if they have film in. (although I thing its safe to assume that only the ones with active radar will have film in).
The only difference is that from driving around with a radar detector in the car for the past 5 years, in my experience only around 30% of Gatsos have active radar. (and no tickets yet touch wood, apart from the one from a truvelo but thats another story). This includes the gantries on the M25.
I remember talking to someone involved with the Thames Valley scameras and they said that only about 30% of gatso sites in the thames valley actually had cameras in them because they couldn't cope with the quantity of admin if they put cameras in all of them, so they moved them around between the sites etc. I think there's a fair chance that if there's a camera in a gatso the radar will be on even if there's no film.
I don't think that included the M25 section though.
Anywho, I find the best way now is if there is any doubt make sure you're doing the posted speed limit at the time - I find it works well
I don't think that included the M25 section though.
Anywho, I find the best way now is if there is any doubt make sure you're doing the posted speed limit at the time - I find it works well
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