New speed limit - A404
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Looks like we're about to be inflicted with a new speed limit on the A404 between Holmer Green and Amersham. Bin bags are currently covering the new limit signs.
One very fast road - 80mph is comfortable. A couple of cars lose it on the fast corner when driving stupidly and we all suffer
Also Gravely way (sp?) between HG and Beaconsfield is now a 40
One very fast road - 80mph is comfortable. A couple of cars lose it on the fast corner when driving stupidly and we all suffer
Also Gravely way (sp?) between HG and Beaconsfield is now a 40
As usual people not dying from speeding but people dying from being stupid (I thought noone had killed themselves on that stretch of A404 for a while though).
Council thinks, Er, we need to do something.
= Lower Limit.
= People speeding.
= Tallivan/scameras.
Talk about inventing problems.
Mind you, today I was mostly attempting to double rural Oxfordshire's 50mph limits
I didn't notice running anyone over either - mainly because I was looking where I was going. Strange concept this paying attention malarky.
Interestingly the '93 people killed on this road in the last 3 years' signs went up on the A404 near chez moi over a year ago. They must work because the numbers haven't changed in over 12 months. Wow!
Footnote - I said attempting - I didn't say I managed it :innocent:
Council thinks, Er, we need to do something.
= Lower Limit.
= People speeding.
= Tallivan/scameras.
Talk about inventing problems.
Mind you, today I was mostly attempting to double rural Oxfordshire's 50mph limits
I didn't notice running anyone over either - mainly because I was looking where I was going. Strange concept this paying attention malarky. Interestingly the '93 people killed on this road in the last 3 years' signs went up on the A404 near chez moi over a year ago. They must work because the numbers haven't changed in over 12 months. Wow!
Footnote - I said attempting - I didn't say I managed it :innocent:
As per one of the members in the RX8OC 
www.buckscc.gov.uk/cabinet_papers/cabinet/tra/index.stm
"It seems area 2 covers Ashley Green:
www.buckscc.gov.uk/cabinet_papers/cabinet/tra/cab_tdtbt_20050711_t01_05.htm
Area 4 (Gt. Missenden / Amersham / Beaconsfield / Wycombe):
www.buckscc.gov.uk/cabinet_papers/cabinet/tra/cab_tdtbt_20050913_t03_05.htm
Bucks CC 'Local Transport Plan' [url]www.buckscc.gov.uk/transport_plan/[/url], but it's short of details on the roads in question.
I'd expect to see the official SIs or TROs for the proposed changes somewhere...
However, I guess according to 'Setting Speed Limits' ([url]www.buckscc.gov.uk/traffic_management/speed_management/review/How_speed_limits_are_set.htm[/url]) , I need to read the local papers more often"
Hope this helps.
Jon
www.rx8ownersclub.co.uk
>> Edited by BigWithey on Tuesday 3rd January 20:01
www.buckscc.gov.uk/cabinet_papers/cabinet/tra/index.stm
"It seems area 2 covers Ashley Green:
www.buckscc.gov.uk/cabinet_papers/cabinet/tra/cab_tdtbt_20050711_t01_05.htm
Area 4 (Gt. Missenden / Amersham / Beaconsfield / Wycombe):
www.buckscc.gov.uk/cabinet_papers/cabinet/tra/cab_tdtbt_20050913_t03_05.htm
Bucks CC 'Local Transport Plan' [url]www.buckscc.gov.uk/transport_plan/[/url], but it's short of details on the roads in question.
I'd expect to see the official SIs or TROs for the proposed changes somewhere...
However, I guess according to 'Setting Speed Limits' ([url]www.buckscc.gov.uk/traffic_management/speed_management/review/How_speed_limits_are_set.htm[/url]) , I need to read the local papers more often"
Hope this helps.
Jon
www.rx8ownersclub.co.uk
>> Edited by BigWithey on Tuesday 3rd January 20:01
Surprised it took them this long considering how bad the road is supposed to be if you believe the local council.
The problem is not with speed along here (according to one of my learned friends) - it is with those who come out of the Orchard Night club and subsequently stuff it on the first bend due to either being drunk behind the wheel, slightly up on nose candy or just generally distracted by passengers who are both of the above. Perhaps if they took more attention to that little problem and stopped trying to blame excessive speed the rest of us wouldn't have to drive like we're on a horse and cart everytime we hit a stretch of road - nothing like moving backwards with things in life eh.... and breathe
The problem is not with speed along here (according to one of my learned friends) - it is with those who come out of the Orchard Night club and subsequently stuff it on the first bend due to either being drunk behind the wheel, slightly up on nose candy or just generally distracted by passengers who are both of the above. Perhaps if they took more attention to that little problem and stopped trying to blame excessive speed the rest of us wouldn't have to drive like we're on a horse and cart everytime we hit a stretch of road - nothing like moving backwards with things in life eh.... and breathe
Its been a while, but here is another one:
OK, 2:45AM, young lad, Corsa. Again, a local person who would have known the road.
Darwin's theory or a genuine accident? It may have been a little slippy, but not enough to cause him to leave the road.
A404 claims another life
By Paul Leat
The crash site
A TEENAGER was killed in a road accident on the A404 Amersham Road near Penn Street early on Saturday morning.
Aaron Roberts, 19, from Pheasant Rise, Chesham, died when the black Vauxhall Corsa he was driving left the road and hit a tree just after 2.45am.
The car had been travelling towards Amersham from the Hazlemere direction when it left the road and crashed into woodland near the turning for School Lane.
OK, 2:45AM, young lad, Corsa. Again, a local person who would have known the road.
Darwin's theory or a genuine accident? It may have been a little slippy, but not enough to cause him to leave the road.
bucks free press said:
A404 claims another life
By Paul Leat
The crash site
A TEENAGER was killed in a road accident on the A404 Amersham Road near Penn Street early on Saturday morning.
Aaron Roberts, 19, from Pheasant Rise, Chesham, died when the black Vauxhall Corsa he was driving left the road and hit a tree just after 2.45am.
The car had been travelling towards Amersham from the Hazlemere direction when it left the road and crashed into woodland near the turning for School Lane.
targarama said:
Interestingly the '93 people killed on this road in the last 3 years' signs
That'll be 93 KSI = Killed or seriously injured Remember that could be no one killed at all but 93 people taken to casualty. Needn't even be a road accident could be someone fallen over a cracked paving stone as long as they wound up in Wycombe General they are a statistic to add to the KSI for that road. Doh!!! 
As I posted originally - that road is capable of a flat out 80mph if you are paying attention. 2.45am crash suggests someone on his way back home who is too tired/distracted and too inexperienced.
I grew up driving that road back from Wycombe all the time at that time of night - and saw a lot of idiots!
I grew up driving that road back from Wycombe all the time at that time of night - and saw a lot of idiots!
Well i have been to 3 fatals down that stretch in past 6 months. To be honest i havent been to any injury or non injury collisions.
Problem being is the junctions on that stretch, alot of them arnt well sighted and you do get the idiots pulling out on you quite frequently.
I would assume that the reduction in speed is to prevent the junction accidents.
Problem being is the junctions on that stretch, alot of them arnt well sighted and you do get the idiots pulling out on you quite frequently.
I would assume that the reduction in speed is to prevent the junction accidents.
I drove down there today, albeit in the opposite direction. Almost witnessed another accident when a Volvo pulled out into traffic and then just didn't bother to accelerate. It had made it in to a reasonable gap so the drivers on the main road just assumed that a lift of the throttle would be fine to accomodate it getting up to speed but then ended up braking as it didn't.
I don't recall there being any turnings around the latest accident, could be wrong though. I was at a bit of a loss to know how you could lose it there as it is a fair way from the notorious killer bend.
I can see the 50 limit being justifiable perhaps from Holmer Green to the Penn St turn off but from there to Amersham I can't really see any justification.
I don't recall there being any turnings around the latest accident, could be wrong though. I was at a bit of a loss to know how you could lose it there as it is a fair way from the notorious killer bend.
I can see the 50 limit being justifiable perhaps from Holmer Green to the Penn St turn off but from there to Amersham I can't really see any justification.
I think that a lot of the issues on this road are caused by people with no conception of driving sensibly pulling out into a gap and not 'getting up to speed'. This has caused a few rear enders that I have seen over the years.
Im sure there are many who just pull out, leading to fatals, and I could understand someone being 'caught out' by the bends just after the Orchav in certain situations. I am not sure how big an effect the Orchav has, but I am sure there have been a few instances of drink driving causing accidents and drunk pedestrians getting hit.
The other issue is that sign that illuminates going back towards Amersham just after the HG straight - scared the crap outa me the first time it came on after installation (in the dark I might add!) - hadnt a clue what it was and nearly crashed!
Im sure there are many who just pull out, leading to fatals, and I could understand someone being 'caught out' by the bends just after the Orchav in certain situations. I am not sure how big an effect the Orchav has, but I am sure there have been a few instances of drink driving causing accidents and drunk pedestrians getting hit.
The other issue is that sign that illuminates going back towards Amersham just after the HG straight - scared the crap outa me the first time it came on after installation (in the dark I might add!) - hadnt a clue what it was and nearly crashed!
Tis true it's a great piece of road but as someone above says it's because people don't judge the speed of traffic approaching when pulling out of the side roads. Visibility on the road can be very deceptive.
I used the road everyday for 5 years when going between Amersham and Hazlemere and came across one fatal crash during that time. Going up to that "bend" befoe the long straight in my old fiesta and there was debris in the road then an engine from an escort in front of me. Luckily I just managed to stop but it was obvious i'd missed the crash by only a few seconds. The force of the crash had ripped their car in two. There was a girl lying in the ditch and unfortunately there was nothing anybody could do for her. Myself and a couple of other cars helped the others but unfortunately the girl died before the ambulance arrived.
Would reducing the limit have saved them - unfortunately I doubt it very much.
I used the road everyday for 5 years when going between Amersham and Hazlemere and came across one fatal crash during that time. Going up to that "bend" befoe the long straight in my old fiesta and there was debris in the road then an engine from an escort in front of me. Luckily I just managed to stop but it was obvious i'd missed the crash by only a few seconds. The force of the crash had ripped their car in two. There was a girl lying in the ditch and unfortunately there was nothing anybody could do for her. Myself and a couple of other cars helped the others but unfortunately the girl died before the ambulance arrived.
Would reducing the limit have saved them - unfortunately I doubt it very much.
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