Kent Police New SpeedTrap Tactic

[zippy144]

Hi

I thought i would give you guys a headsup on this one. A friend was telling me this story this afternoon.

He was driving his Escort Cosworth along the Wainscott Bypass when he noticed a Black CBR following close behind. He turned left towards Grain and the bike started to tailgate his car so he decided to give some throttle to put some distance between them, next thing he knows a marked Police bike comes out of nowhere and pulls him and the CBR over,

BUT

The black CBR is a unmarked Police bike with a camera in the fairing.....

He is now waiting for the court summons for getting done for 110mph.

My personnal opinion to this is this is on the verge of Entrapment, and to be honest i would have probaly done the same thing if somebody was tailgating me...

So Watch out for an all Black Honda CBR600 with a guy in all black leathers and a number plate LX08.....

Regards

Tom aka Zippy

[DIW35]

Sneaky buggers. Thanks for the heads up.

[TCEvo]

Didn't Beckham once get out of a speeding fine on same basis, ie someone right behind him, got concerned, floored it & pulled over. Personally can't stand motorbikes buzzing around close behind me, would've done exactly the same.

[FlintyGP]

I'll keep my eyes peeled.

That would make me consider something rude like a deliberate brake test....?

[ianqv]

This method is best applied when in the works van - the next time a CBR is tailgating you, slam the flippin brakes on!!
I know plod is fed up hearing this (and don't get me wrong, there are loads out there doing a great job) but go and catch some real criminals!

I'll get off my soap box now!!

Edited by ianqv on Sunday 8th June 21:48

[Mr_annie_vxr]

ianqv said:

This method is best applied when in the works van - the next time a CBR is tailgating you, slam the flippin brakes on!!
I know plod is fed up hearing this (and don't get me wrong, there are loads out there doing a great job) but go and catch some real criminals!

I'll get off my soap box now!!

Edited by ianqv on Sunday 8th June 21:48

If the bike was close then it will show on the video and he could use that as mitigation. The limit on the road he is talking about is 60 and less - he was doing 110 - road to grain is also one of the most dangerous for fatals and serious crashes.

Brake tests are dangerous - your better pulling over. If it is on video it would show you had no reason to brake and you could well be looking at a dangerous driving charge due to your 'intent'.

Whenever something gets too close to me I slow down let it go or pull over. Motorbikes are hardly intimidating when they are close behind you as they will cause you little damage. An HGV or similar a few feet from your bumper i can understand.

Should also be aware some vehicles will move closer when moving to the 'contact' position for an overtake.

[ianqv]

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Brake tests are dangerous


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Exactly - the pefect deterrent!! so don't tail gate if you are on a bike... or in a car! (police or otherwise!!)

Edited by ianqv on Monday 9th June 22:08

[S26VE P]

The flamer kit on the old subaru used to work wonders with tailgaters.

[Rofly Lollers]

Just saw this, with video:

http://kentonline.co.uk/kol08/article/default.asp?...

It's the 50mph zone, B2016 Seven Mile Lane approaching the A20, biker stopped at the Teston road junction.

website said:

The short clip shows a 46-year-old biker reaching speeds of up to 90 mph along a county lane in Mereworth, West Kent.

Lies! The highest speed recorded in the clip is 77mph by the camera bike when he has to play catch up after getting delayed behind several cars, one of which is travelling at approx 35mph around a corner. If the video shows the worst of this biker's riding, how can it be used as evidence?

Edited by Rofly Lollers on Wednesday 24th September 14:32

[odyssey2200]

TBH any biker that does not pass at the first opportunity should be treated with caution.

Most bikes would have either filtered past on the approach to a roundabout. passed on acceleration or on the first available straight.

[Saied]

Rofly Lollers said:

Just saw this, with video:

http://kentonline.co.uk/kol08/article/default.asp?...

It's the 50mph zone, B2016 Seven Mile Lane approaching the A20, biker stopped at the Teston road junction.

website said:

The short clip shows a 46-year-old biker reaching speeds of up to 90 mph along a county lane in Mereworth, West Kent.

Lies! The highest speed recorded in the clip is 77mph by the camera bike when he has to play catch up after getting delayed behind several cars, one of which is travelling at approx 35mph around a corner. If the video shows the worst of this biker's riding, how can it be used as evidence?

Edited by Rofly Lollers on Wednesday 24th September 14:32

What a load of shoddy journalism.

It ain't a "country lane", its a major arterial B road which is arrow straight in many sections. Plus the limit was NSL until the nanny state brigade reduced it to 50 mph a few years ago.

77 mph in a sports motorbike along the B2016 wouldn't raise an eyebrow if we inhabited a sane world.

Everybody involved in these speed trap tactics (including the police) should hang their heads in absolute shame. Go after the chavs vandalising property at will, go after the uninsured tts driving around without a care in the world.

And leave us law adiding citizens to our deserved liberty.

[Mr Freefall]

zippy144 said:

Hi

I thought i would give you guys a headsup on this one. A friend was telling me this story this afternoon.

He was driving his Escort Cosworth along the Wainscott Bypass when he noticed a Black CBR following close behind. He turned left towards Grain and the bike started to tailgate his car so he decided to give some throttle to put some distance between them, next thing he knows a marked Police bike comes out of nowhere and pulls him and the CBR over,

BUT

The black CBR is a unmarked Police bike with a camera in the fairing.....

He is now waiting for the court summons for getting done for 110mph.

My personnal opinion to this is this is on the verge of Entrapment, and to be honest i would have probaly done the same thing if somebody was tailgating me...

So Watch out for an all Black Honda CBR600 with a guy in all black leathers and a number plate LX08.....

Regards

Tom aka Zippy

Black one was in Chelmsford last week rider had white lid, white jacket with hi viz stripe on jacket.

Still out there then

Mr F

[HarryW]

Rofly Lollers said:

Just saw this, with video:

http://kentonline.co.uk/kol08/article/default.asp?...

It's the 50mph zone, B2016 Seven Mile Lane approaching the A20, biker stopped at the Teston road junction.

website said:

The short clip shows a 46-year-old biker reaching speeds of up to 90 mph along a county lane in Mereworth, West Kent.

Lies! The highest speed recorded in the clip is 77mph by the camera bike when he has to play catch up after getting delayed behind several cars, one of which is travelling at approx 35mph around a corner. If the video shows the worst of this biker's riding, how can it be used as evidence?

Edited by Rofly Lollers on Wednesday 24th September 14:32

Just seen this, is it for real, the biker did absolutely nothing wrong there. If anything the following bike looked like he was taking more chances in places, but then again his head (line of sight) is higher than the camera shows.
I can only assume there is other footage he was prosecuted on .

[Poledriver]

Yes, brake testing IS dangerous, and I'm sure that nobody on here is stupid enough to do it! However, even a 2-wheeled plod should realise that tailgating like this is going to end up in an accident when some "anti-bike" speedster decides to let the "entrapment officer" take a close look at his rear bumper!

[odyssey2200]

HarryW said:

Rofly Lollers said:

Just saw this, with video:

http://kentonline.co.uk/kol08/article/default.asp?...

It's the 50mph zone, B2016 Seven Mile Lane approaching the A20, biker stopped at the Teston road junction.

website said:

The short clip shows a 46-year-old biker reaching speeds of up to 90 mph along a county lane in Mereworth, West Kent.

Lies! The highest speed recorded in the clip is 77mph by the camera bike when he has to play catch up after getting delayed behind several cars, one of which is travelling at approx 35mph around a corner. If the video shows the worst of this biker's riding, how can it be used as evidence?

Edited by Rofly Lollers on Wednesday 24th September 14:32

Just seen this, is it for real, the biker did absolutely nothing wrong there. If anything the following bike looked like he was taking more chances in places, but then again his head (line of sight) is higher than the camera shows.
I can only assume there is other footage he was prosecuted on .

There is no evidence that the rider did anything wrong.

Pleanty of evidence that the BiB speed was way too high

but as Vonhosen regularly points out " Police are exempt"

[zippy144]

Hi

There is a BIG front page article in the KM this week.

They say they have had the bike for 18 months and that they are thinking of getting another....

To be honest the days sprited driving in Kent could become a problem...

Northern France on the other hand.....LOL

Regards

Tom aka Zippy

[Poledriver]

zippy144 said:

Hi

There is a BIG front page article in the KM this week.

They say they have had the bike for 18 months and that they are thinking of getting another....

To be honest the days sprited driving in Kent could become a problem...

Northern France on the other hand.....LOL

Regards

Tom aka Zippy

Not so easy now, they've got some british Bobbies helping out in France. Looks like Britain have become the world leaders in motorist persecution!

[watchmecrash]

Brake tests are dangerous - your better pulling over. If it is on video it would show you had no reason to brake and you could well be looking at a dangerous driving charge due to your 'intent'.

Whenever something gets too close to me I slow down let it go or pull over. Motorbikes are hardly intimidating when they are close behind you as they will cause you little damage. An HGV or similar a few feet from your bumper i can understand.

Should also be aware some vehicles will move closer when moving to the 'contact' position for an overtake.



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First off all after riding fast bikes for years I have found that no car on the road will out brake or out mauve a quick bike. (The plod can ride I have raced a few) so leave them to do their thing and you do yours.
Second if some Dum ass doses a brake test, In front of me I have found picking them up on the back end and push hard so they spin good fun. No one has time to get your number and I hope they learn to be nice and for give mistakes on the road.
Banger racing trick
Please be nice and for give mistakes

[M5 Russ]

If someone (car or bike) wants to get so close that they cannot avoid me if I perform an emergency stop or slow down then they are driving too close regardless hence driving without due car and attention.

I would just claim a rabbit appeared on the verge and I thought it would run across the carriageway and hence I braked hard (it is too small to be seen by the shaky video camera and being an animal lover I wanted to make sure I missed it etc etc)

There is no defence in motoring law for someone hitting another car from behind full stop.
I don't drive too close to the car in front and I don't expect people including the bib to do it to me.

[Raify]

I know this bit of road rather well. I've been commuting to the big building on the right hand side at the start of the clip for 10 years.

IMO, the rider is being very conservative. He passes the quite dangerous crossroads at the start of the clip doing about 35, only passes when it's safe and like the comments say, there is no evidence of 90.

It looks like he might have gone over 50 at some point during the overtakes, but as it's been pointed out this road was NSL until very recently. Head on collisions on one small section of the road caused by bad overtaking on blind crests (not speeding) made the authorities re-classify the whole 7 mile road as 50mph.