K Series HGF repair Wellington
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Id say Ray Hartley Motors
http://www.nocowboys.co.nz/businesses/ray-hartley-...
Its where I used to take my midget and he seems to do most of the MG business in town.
http://www.nocowboys.co.nz/businesses/ray-hartley-...
Its where I used to take my midget and he seems to do most of the MG business in town.
Whoever does it, make sure they check the liner stand-proud of the block deck. If the liners have sunk, as they're prone to do, the head gasket will fail again soon.
Also, something to check, if the engine's cooked itself... look into hardness-testing the head as these can soften (writing them off) if they've gotten too hot.
Also, something to check, if the engine's cooked itself... look into hardness-testing the head as these can soften (writing them off) if they've gotten too hot.
Thanks Guys....
I do not know if the head is recoverable or not, although the cam belt covers have not melted to the block so it didn't get THAT hot....;)
I found the level on the dipstick has risen about by two inches..... This increase is made up of the four liters of water that was put into the coolant tank by the owner when they got home and the ELF Synthetic oil i put in two weeks ago!
"Hellman's"
would be proud of the contents!
Anyone have any experience of Kerry Lindsay? http://www.kler.co.nz/ they seemed to know their stuff on the phone earlier, apparently they had a vvc engine in at the moment.
I do not know if the head is recoverable or not, although the cam belt covers have not melted to the block so it didn't get THAT hot....;)
I found the level on the dipstick has risen about by two inches..... This increase is made up of the four liters of water that was put into the coolant tank by the owner when they got home and the ELF Synthetic oil i put in two weeks ago!
"Hellman's"
would be proud of the contents!Anyone have any experience of Kerry Lindsay? http://www.kler.co.nz/ they seemed to know their stuff on the phone earlier, apparently they had a vvc engine in at the moment.
Just went through all this with the Atom. It, being an original Atom 1, has a K 1.8 motor. There is a lot of hype and BS about this from companies that just want to cash in on a known failure.
Firstly, Anealing (softening) requires aprox >120degC for more than an 1hr or say 140degC for 30mins constant. What's more the new multi layer steel HG set comes with a "saver shim" that gives your head a steel face when fitted.
The liners protrude from the block by a gnats whatsit. You can feel them by running a straight edge over the block. The main thing is to check they are all the same high (once again with a straight edge) and that you can not turn them in the block. If they have sunk the chances are you'll be able to rotate them.
If the head needs machining get the least possible taken off. I was going to use the single gasket at first but the dick that did the head stuffed up and took 0.020' off. The manual says a maximum of 0.008" is allowed. The MLS gasket set allows more to be taken off. In my case 0.020' is 0.51mm and the 3 parts that make up the MLS gasket kit would be almost if not thicker than that.
Use the Multi Layer Steel gasket kit. It also comes with steel dowels. Chuck the plastic ones. Also getting a new set of head bolts is highly recommended.
I hope this helps.
Firstly, Anealing (softening) requires aprox >120degC for more than an 1hr or say 140degC for 30mins constant. What's more the new multi layer steel HG set comes with a "saver shim" that gives your head a steel face when fitted.
The liners protrude from the block by a gnats whatsit. You can feel them by running a straight edge over the block. The main thing is to check they are all the same high (once again with a straight edge) and that you can not turn them in the block. If they have sunk the chances are you'll be able to rotate them.
If the head needs machining get the least possible taken off. I was going to use the single gasket at first but the dick that did the head stuffed up and took 0.020' off. The manual says a maximum of 0.008" is allowed. The MLS gasket set allows more to be taken off. In my case 0.020' is 0.51mm and the 3 parts that make up the MLS gasket kit would be almost if not thicker than that.
Use the Multi Layer Steel gasket kit. It also comes with steel dowels. Chuck the plastic ones. Also getting a new set of head bolts is highly recommended.
I hope this helps.
Atom Johnny said:
Rover K Stuff
Johnny,Check out my rebuild thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Somewhere buried in there you'll see what I'm doing to the engine. Mine was fine re the head gasket, but it flogged out the bottom end due to the crank flexing at high revs.
When it's done it'll be (by some margin) the most powerful Rover K series in NZ, and should be the quickest Lotus without an engine swap.
Thanks guys.
Your information seems consistent with my thinking and understanding, which is reassuring for me.
I think you are right about the BS surrounding these engines, and as you say the later multi layer gaskets resolve, to a certain degree issues related to early K's as long as the basics are sound. Lets hope the guy doing the skimming is not a dick! LOL! This motor is after all only a 120 BHP lump in an MGF that is not likely to spend it's life circulating a track for hours at a time.
I would do it but just don't have the time at the moment...and would not be able to offer a warranty, which they seek. So, I think the car is going to end up at Kapiti Motors. The owner of the MGF has had them recommended by the MG car club.
George I am really looking forward to seeing "the beast" up and running. It will be fun trying to keep up! (my diet starts Monday ;-) )
Your information seems consistent with my thinking and understanding, which is reassuring for me.
I think you are right about the BS surrounding these engines, and as you say the later multi layer gaskets resolve, to a certain degree issues related to early K's as long as the basics are sound. Lets hope the guy doing the skimming is not a dick! LOL! This motor is after all only a 120 BHP lump in an MGF that is not likely to spend it's life circulating a track for hours at a time.
I would do it but just don't have the time at the moment...and would not be able to offer a warranty, which they seek. So, I think the car is going to end up at Kapiti Motors. The owner of the MGF has had them recommended by the MG car club.
George I am really looking forward to seeing "the beast" up and running. It will be fun trying to keep up! (my diet starts Monday ;-) )
Edited by D1GGY on Friday 2nd October 00:33
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