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[quote]The number of people dying on New Zealand's roads increased last year by seven per cent.
The 2007 road toll stands at 422 - 29 more than the previous year.
[b]However, road policing operations manager Inspector Carey Griffiths said the figures were misleading as the number of deaths per 10,000 vehicles was 1.3 - the same as 2006.
"A lot of people get the impression that the road toll is going up but it has actually come down significantly," he said.
"In fact, if we were killing people at the same rate as we were in 20 years, the road toll today would be around 1100."
However, New Zealand's road toll was falling more slowly than other Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries due to its "unforgiving" roads and high default speed limit.
"We've got 100km/h on roads that by international standards are really 70-80km/h roads," Mr Griffiths said.
"So if you drive too fast and go off a bank in New Zealand you're highly likely to be killed. If you do the same in other countries ... you're more likely to hit a barrier.
"What you've got separating you from death in New Zealand isn't a barrier in most cases, it's a three-inch (7cm) white painted line."
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New Zealand also had a high blood alcohol level compared with other countries; New Zealand allowed 0.08 milligrams per 100ml of blood compared with Australia's 0.05.
Countries which had reduced their blood alcohol levels from 0.08 to 0.05 had, without exception, experienced fewer alcohol-related fatalities.
Police believed the 2007 fatalities would have been 22 less if seatbelts had been worn.
Annual road toll figures:
1990-729,
1991-650,
1992-646,
1993-600,
1994-580,
1995-582,
1996-514,
1997-539,
1998-501,
1999-508,
2000-462,
2001-455,
2002-405,
2003-461,
2004-435,
2005-404,
2006-393
2007 - 422
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From the article in the herald here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id...
While I agree with what he's saying about our roads being (largely) a shambles, I think it's preposterous how he can actually say the road toll's coming down, when it's not! Looking at the stats, you can see how it's come down dramatically and since about 2000 it's pretty much evened out.
As for saying we have speed limits that are much higher than similar roads in other countries, that's utter, utter bullshit. Anyone who's driven in other western countries will know that there's plenty of other places that have opposed-flow traffic at 100km/h or even more in some areas.... SPEED IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE!!!!!
Interestingly enough, in Oz, a year ago, Northern Territory for the first time introduced speed-limits and their road toll jumped over 10% after trending downwards for a number of years and they're now contemplating removing the limits again..... funny how you never hear that reported in NZ.
The 2007 road toll stands at 422 - 29 more than the previous year.
[b]However, road policing operations manager Inspector Carey Griffiths said the figures were misleading as the number of deaths per 10,000 vehicles was 1.3 - the same as 2006.
"A lot of people get the impression that the road toll is going up but it has actually come down significantly," he said.
"In fact, if we were killing people at the same rate as we were in 20 years, the road toll today would be around 1100."
However, New Zealand's road toll was falling more slowly than other Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries due to its "unforgiving" roads and high default speed limit.
"We've got 100km/h on roads that by international standards are really 70-80km/h roads," Mr Griffiths said.
"So if you drive too fast and go off a bank in New Zealand you're highly likely to be killed. If you do the same in other countries ... you're more likely to hit a barrier.
"What you've got separating you from death in New Zealand isn't a barrier in most cases, it's a three-inch (7cm) white painted line."
[/b]
New Zealand also had a high blood alcohol level compared with other countries; New Zealand allowed 0.08 milligrams per 100ml of blood compared with Australia's 0.05.
Countries which had reduced their blood alcohol levels from 0.08 to 0.05 had, without exception, experienced fewer alcohol-related fatalities.
Police believed the 2007 fatalities would have been 22 less if seatbelts had been worn.
Annual road toll figures:
1990-729,
1991-650,
1992-646,
1993-600,
1994-580,
1995-582,
1996-514,
1997-539,
1998-501,
1999-508,
2000-462,
2001-455,
2002-405,
2003-461,
2004-435,
2005-404,
2006-393
2007 - 422
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From the article in the herald here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id...
While I agree with what he's saying about our roads being (largely) a shambles, I think it's preposterous how he can actually say the road toll's coming down, when it's not! Looking at the stats, you can see how it's come down dramatically and since about 2000 it's pretty much evened out.
As for saying we have speed limits that are much higher than similar roads in other countries, that's utter, utter bullshit. Anyone who's driven in other western countries will know that there's plenty of other places that have opposed-flow traffic at 100km/h or even more in some areas.... SPEED IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE!!!!!
Interestingly enough, in Oz, a year ago, Northern Territory for the first time introduced speed-limits and their road toll jumped over 10% after trending downwards for a number of years and they're now contemplating removing the limits again..... funny how you never hear that reported in NZ.
Isn’t he really saying that the rate of deaths per 10000 vehicles has decreased?
Interesting how it attributes none of the reduction in deaths per 10000 vehicles to the relentless effort carmakers have put into safety cells, airbags, stability control etc. However I like the way that he is suggesting that road quality needs to be improved rather than just using the usual “If we lowered the speed limit to 3kph deaths would be reduced by 99%”.
Interesting how it attributes none of the reduction in deaths per 10000 vehicles to the relentless effort carmakers have put into safety cells, airbags, stability control etc. However I like the way that he is suggesting that road quality needs to be improved rather than just using the usual “If we lowered the speed limit to 3kph deaths would be reduced by 99%”.
speedy_thrills said:
Isn’t he really saying that the rate of deaths per 10000 vehicles has decreased?
What he said was "A lot of people get the impression that the road toll is going up but it has actually come down significantly," when in fact it was the highest in 3 years.The 'toll' is the gross number.
If he wants to talk about the rate per head of population, or the rate per car ownership, or the rate per km driven that's fine but don't be deliberately misleading.
He could also have said that he expects the downward trend to continue and that 2007 was an aberration within normal statistical bounds.
While our road surfaces take a hammering I think the geometry is generally really good. If people actually had some open road driving skills and made focusing on their driving their top priority (instead of 4th behind variously looking for a shop, looking for a carpark, talking on the phone, texting, talking to the people in the back seat, doing their hair, mediating an argument between the kids, cursing the driver in front, deep in thought about what to get their partner for their birthday, changing a CD, lightning a cancer stick . . .) we'd have a lot less trouble.
Tom is completely right about the advances in vehicle technology. Some cars even have a pedal that can reduce your speed before you hurtle into a blind corner at 104 km/h with your seat too far back, one hand scratching your arse, and the other hand three fingering the wheel attached to an arm with a locked elbow.
RobDickinson said:
loved the story on the stuff yesterday abotu a 13 year old girl killed on a beach by a motorbike, added to the road death toll...
I don't mind it being added to the road toll. It satisfies the definition of a road. What I do mind is this . . .NZHerald said:
Daisy, aged 13, died in Whangarei Hospital yesterday morning, just a few days before her 14th birthday this Friday.
Her friend, also aged 13, remains stable in hospital with serious injuries, which the Herald understands include a broken leg and smashed hip.
A 15-year-old boy, who was driving the motocross bike and suffered minor injuries, has been interviewed by police over the crash and been referred to youth aid.
The police serious crash unit is investigating the fatality.
Her friend, also aged 13, remains stable in hospital with serious injuries, which the Herald understands include a broken leg and smashed hip.
A 15-year-old boy, who was driving the motocross bike and suffered minor injuries, has been interviewed by police over the crash and been referred to youth aid.
The police serious crash unit is investigating the fatality.
Quote "As for saying we have speed limits that are much higher than similar roads in other countries, that's utter, utter bullshit. Anyone who's driven in other western countries will know that there's plenty of other places that have opposed-flow traffic at 100km/h or even more in some areas.... SPEED IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE!!!!!"
Here Here!! Having a yearly mother in law trip to the UK for the last 8 years and driven extensively on Southern England's roads the 60 mph stuff scares the bejezzus out of me. NARROW! bloody great stone bits and tress every where. Why won't any one in LTSA just say "Oh and by the way the divided roads should be 70mph or 130kph as they are in Europe". Hell it's 110 kph in NSW.
Complete steaming lying idiots.
Cheers
Mark Stacey
Here Here!! Having a yearly mother in law trip to the UK for the last 8 years and driven extensively on Southern England's roads the 60 mph stuff scares the bejezzus out of me. NARROW! bloody great stone bits and tress every where. Why won't any one in LTSA just say "Oh and by the way the divided roads should be 70mph or 130kph as they are in Europe". Hell it's 110 kph in NSW.
Complete steaming lying idiots.
Cheers
Mark Stacey
I think that NZ roads in comparison to UK roads(excluding UK motorways) are in very good condition and a pleasure to drive on. Also the standard of driving is generally good.
The quality of the surface of UK roads and the standard of driving have very quickly gone downhill over the last 10 years due to volume of cars/lack of investment, policing by camera's and the vast amount of new foreigners now here.
The quality of the surface of UK roads and the standard of driving have very quickly gone downhill over the last 10 years due to volume of cars/lack of investment, policing by camera's and the vast amount of new foreigners now here.
Anyone who thinks NZ roads are as good as the UKs obviously hasn't done much driving in either country! The UK has 'motorways', NZ has poorly built, rough graded B-roads as the main routes connecting major cities. They are poorly made, badly maintained and lacking in safety features i.e. barriers, decent signage and markings that can be seen at night and/or heavy rain. I'm not saying UK roads are perfect - far from it. Anyone wanting to see some decent roads should go to France, Germany or even the USA.
Despite the reduction in overall driving ability in the UK (I noticed this last time I was home) it is still ten times better than NZ because the UK doesn't have a driving culture where everyone treats the piece of tarmac in front of their car like their defending a foreign border against a hostile enemy - i.e. driving up each others arses and willing to crash rather than let someone go in front of them.
Comparisons should only be made where improvement is sought, not to say "Well they're just as bad as we are".
If the government want to reduce the road toll and improve road safety it should :
1. Build some decent new roads and maintain the rest as well as creating a decent public transport system - not one OR the other! (and yes there's always been plenty of money for this - money is not the issue).
2. Introduce compulsory 3rd party insurance.
3. Impose harsh prison sentences for repeat offenders, in particular drinking and driving. How many times have you heard about someone being done for the 6th or 7th time? Banning people from driving does nothing - once it's done, what have they got to lose by risking driving again?
3. Increase the age limit to 17 or at least restrict the type of car available to new drivers. 15 year-olds in 300bhp 4wd rally cars is a recipe for disaster.
4. Instead of crass 'Your mates a bloody idiot' how about 'National Courteous Driving Day'? The national attitude needs to change and it needs to be done in a positive manner.
Despite the reduction in overall driving ability in the UK (I noticed this last time I was home) it is still ten times better than NZ because the UK doesn't have a driving culture where everyone treats the piece of tarmac in front of their car like their defending a foreign border against a hostile enemy - i.e. driving up each others arses and willing to crash rather than let someone go in front of them.
Comparisons should only be made where improvement is sought, not to say "Well they're just as bad as we are".
If the government want to reduce the road toll and improve road safety it should :
1. Build some decent new roads and maintain the rest as well as creating a decent public transport system - not one OR the other! (and yes there's always been plenty of money for this - money is not the issue).
2. Introduce compulsory 3rd party insurance.
3. Impose harsh prison sentences for repeat offenders, in particular drinking and driving. How many times have you heard about someone being done for the 6th or 7th time? Banning people from driving does nothing - once it's done, what have they got to lose by risking driving again?
3. Increase the age limit to 17 or at least restrict the type of car available to new drivers. 15 year-olds in 300bhp 4wd rally cars is a recipe for disaster.
4. Instead of crass 'Your mates a bloody idiot' how about 'National Courteous Driving Day'? The national attitude needs to change and it needs to be done in a positive manner.
Jamie I mostly agree with what you have said. I guess my yearly month home in the summer to NZ driving circa 2000kms on glorious uncrowded south island roads makes my view more emotional than yours ie it's a bloody pleasure in comparison to UK roads!
When I first came to the UK in 95 I found drivers much more considerate than in NZ, but I don't anymore. I now find them very aggressive. When I left NZ my view was exactly the same as yours about NZ drivers!
I guess time away from each place makes you forget the bad points and appreciate the good!
When I first came to the UK in 95 I found drivers much more considerate than in NZ, but I don't anymore. I now find them very aggressive. When I left NZ my view was exactly the same as yours about NZ drivers!
I guess time away from each place makes you forget the bad points and appreciate the good!
jamieheasman said:
Anyone who thinks NZ roads are as good as the UKs obviously hasn't done much driving in either country! The UK has 'motorways', NZ has poorly built, rough graded B-roads as the main routes connecting major cities. They are poorly made, badly maintained and lacking in safety features i.e. barriers, decent signage and markings that can be seen at night and/or heavy rain. I'm not saying UK roads are perfect - far from it. Anyone wanting to see some decent roads should go to France, Germany or even the USA.
Despite the reduction in overall driving ability in the UK (I noticed this last time I was home) it is still ten times better than NZ because the UK doesn't have a driving culture where everyone treats the piece of tarmac in front of their car like their defending a foreign border against a hostile enemy - i.e. driving up each others arses and willing to crash rather than let someone go in front of them.
Comparisons should only be made where improvement is sought, not to say "Well they're just as bad as we are".
If the government want to reduce the road toll and improve road safety it should :
1. Build some decent new roads and maintain the rest as well as creating a decent public transport system - not one OR the other! (and yes there's always been plenty of money for this - money is not the issue).
2. Introduce compulsory 3rd party insurance.
3. Impose harsh prison sentences for repeat offenders, in particular drinking and driving. How many times have you heard about someone being done for the 6th or 7th time? Banning people from driving does nothing - once it's done, what have they got to lose by risking driving again?
3. Increase the age limit to 17 or at least restrict the type of car available to new drivers. 15 year-olds in 300bhp 4wd rally cars is a recipe for disaster.
4. Instead of crass 'Your mates a bloody idiot' how about 'National Courteous Driving Day'? The national attitude needs to change and it needs to be done in a positive manner.
Mate, you are SO spot on with this post. I'm English and have lived/driven/ridden in many countries (3rd world included) but I have never come across driving standards as bad as here in NZ.Despite the reduction in overall driving ability in the UK (I noticed this last time I was home) it is still ten times better than NZ because the UK doesn't have a driving culture where everyone treats the piece of tarmac in front of their car like their defending a foreign border against a hostile enemy - i.e. driving up each others arses and willing to crash rather than let someone go in front of them.
Comparisons should only be made where improvement is sought, not to say "Well they're just as bad as we are".
If the government want to reduce the road toll and improve road safety it should :
1. Build some decent new roads and maintain the rest as well as creating a decent public transport system - not one OR the other! (and yes there's always been plenty of money for this - money is not the issue).
2. Introduce compulsory 3rd party insurance.
3. Impose harsh prison sentences for repeat offenders, in particular drinking and driving. How many times have you heard about someone being done for the 6th or 7th time? Banning people from driving does nothing - once it's done, what have they got to lose by risking driving again?
3. Increase the age limit to 17 or at least restrict the type of car available to new drivers. 15 year-olds in 300bhp 4wd rally cars is a recipe for disaster.
4. Instead of crass 'Your mates a bloody idiot' how about 'National Courteous Driving Day'? The national attitude needs to change and it needs to be done in a positive manner.
I've been here for a year and a half with my Kiwi missus and she says exactly the same thing after having lived over in the UK for the last 10 years.
The only thing I'd add to your post would be to make the driving test more difficult. Any fool can pass their test here and at the end of the day, you're as good as what you learn.
NZ is such a beautiful country but the whole road/driving thing is laughable.
"The only thing I'd add to your post would be to make the driving test more difficult. Any fool can pass their test here and at the end of the day, you're as good as what you learn."
I've also driven in lots of strange countries, and I don't think making the driving test more difficult is relevant, it's only after passing your test you learn to drive.
Two of my children have recently learned to drive - and I wouldn't let either of them near an NZ instructor. I gave them two basic rules, always leave space and always drive at safe speed for the conditions. (Also "expect the unexpected"
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The real problem here is the attitude and actions of the LTSA and police. Innapropriate and petty enforcement of road rules is counter productive and leads to drivers thinking they are driving safely simply because they are obeying the rules - the Police seem to think they can ticket their way to safer roads - what a load of sh1t. Concentrate on the important things, the police should be educating drivers rather than punishing them at every opportunity, telling drivers what they have done wrong rather than giving a ticket for not fully stopping at a stop sign etc.
J J Leeming had it right years ago, www.abd.org.uk
I've also driven in lots of strange countries, and I don't think making the driving test more difficult is relevant, it's only after passing your test you learn to drive.
Two of my children have recently learned to drive - and I wouldn't let either of them near an NZ instructor. I gave them two basic rules, always leave space and always drive at safe speed for the conditions. (Also "expect the unexpected"
.The real problem here is the attitude and actions of the LTSA and police. Innapropriate and petty enforcement of road rules is counter productive and leads to drivers thinking they are driving safely simply because they are obeying the rules - the Police seem to think they can ticket their way to safer roads - what a load of sh1t. Concentrate on the important things, the police should be educating drivers rather than punishing them at every opportunity, telling drivers what they have done wrong rather than giving a ticket for not fully stopping at a stop sign etc.
J J Leeming had it right years ago, www.abd.org.uk
"Anyone who thinks NZ roads are as good as the UKs obviously hasn't done much driving in either country!"
And nowhere in this thread has that been said. The point was there are just a many dodgy bits of roading in the UK with a 60mph limit as there are in New Zealand with a 100kph limit. So the official Statement NO ONE has roads like ours with speed limits like ours was mince, lies, brain dead, etc etc
Where there are decent bits of roading in NZ ie. The new Waikato express way State highway 1 from the bridge to Orewa, overseas these would be 110kph, 70mph or 130kph roads depeanding what country you wish to compare to.
As far as MUCH better drivers in the UK bwahahahaha. Might have been 5 years ago, but having spent 2 weeks in August 07 fighting the M25 I would have to disagree. The tailgating by trucks is appalling. More and more cameras less and less police??
And nowhere in this thread has that been said. The point was there are just a many dodgy bits of roading in the UK with a 60mph limit as there are in New Zealand with a 100kph limit. So the official Statement NO ONE has roads like ours with speed limits like ours was mince, lies, brain dead, etc etc
Where there are decent bits of roading in NZ ie. The new Waikato express way State highway 1 from the bridge to Orewa, overseas these would be 110kph, 70mph or 130kph roads depeanding what country you wish to compare to.
As far as MUCH better drivers in the UK bwahahahaha. Might have been 5 years ago, but having spent 2 weeks in August 07 fighting the M25 I would have to disagree. The tailgating by trucks is appalling. More and more cameras less and less police??
Just saw an ad on T.V which I couldn't make sense of and so went to it's website. Have a look http://www.hoof-it.co.nz/ Wonder how much that cost us?
I'm definitely of the opinion that both the road and the driving suck in New Zealand. I drive STATE HIGHWAY 1 into work everyday and the road surface is appalling - pot holes, adverse camber, tram lines, cracks and even the main four land section has no water drainage system, so fills with pools of water on days like today.
Drivers cut in and out, accelerate and undertake to get one car up. They accelerate when they see someone coming down the off ramp to ensure the car doesn't get in front of them. Tailgating, changing lanes without indication, the list goes on. I used to drive 4 hours per DAY in London / M25 / M20 traffic which was fast and fairly aggresive but there is no comparison with the naked aggression and hostility I see on NZ roads everyday. When was the last time you saw a car anticipate another driver joining the motorway by pulling into lane 2, giving the joining car free reign of lane 1 - used to happen all the time in the UK. When was the last time you saw a driver anticipate you might want to pull out becuase you suddenly find yourself behind a very slow moving vehicle and flash you to let you out, without you asking.
Finally, as part of my penance for being on the wrong end of the road rage incident, I attended an AA Defensive Driving Course. Apart from one other guy applying for a bike licence, the room was filled with 15-16 year olds trying to get 6 months off their provo licences. They nearly all had high powered turbos or boy racer cars of some description. ALL of them had had at least one serious accident since beginning to drive. Hardly any of them took any notice of the instructor. Which was possibly a good thing as he (an ex police driver) just read out the official LTNZ speil and even got it wrong (confused under/oversteer and whether you turn in or out of a skid). Basically, if this is the state of our young drivers and the tuition we give them, we are setting ourselves up for a major problem in the future. Compulsory insurance, tax the young out of high powered cars, raise the driving age. That's what I say...
Drivers cut in and out, accelerate and undertake to get one car up. They accelerate when they see someone coming down the off ramp to ensure the car doesn't get in front of them. Tailgating, changing lanes without indication, the list goes on. I used to drive 4 hours per DAY in London / M25 / M20 traffic which was fast and fairly aggresive but there is no comparison with the naked aggression and hostility I see on NZ roads everyday. When was the last time you saw a car anticipate another driver joining the motorway by pulling into lane 2, giving the joining car free reign of lane 1 - used to happen all the time in the UK. When was the last time you saw a driver anticipate you might want to pull out becuase you suddenly find yourself behind a very slow moving vehicle and flash you to let you out, without you asking.
Finally, as part of my penance for being on the wrong end of the road rage incident, I attended an AA Defensive Driving Course. Apart from one other guy applying for a bike licence, the room was filled with 15-16 year olds trying to get 6 months off their provo licences. They nearly all had high powered turbos or boy racer cars of some description. ALL of them had had at least one serious accident since beginning to drive. Hardly any of them took any notice of the instructor. Which was possibly a good thing as he (an ex police driver) just read out the official LTNZ speil and even got it wrong (confused under/oversteer and whether you turn in or out of a skid). Basically, if this is the state of our young drivers and the tuition we give them, we are setting ourselves up for a major problem in the future. Compulsory insurance, tax the young out of high powered cars, raise the driving age. That's what I say...
Let's clear up a few things here.
The roads and driving is generally much better in the south island (in my limited experience). The worst drivers and the worst roads are in Auckland (IMHO). Some of you are comparing London with the South Island - you should be comparing the South Island with Wales or Scotland as those are the places with similar numbers. If you compare apples with apples - i.e. London vs Auckland the roads and standard of driving in London is much better.
I'm not trying to put NZers down, I just find it amazing how a perfectly approachable friendly Kiwi turns into a complete inconsiderate maniac when they get behind the wheel. If you transferred a random number of drivers from London for instance, to Auckland I have no doubt the roads would flow more, even in the rain and there would be less accidents. It's not because GB drivers have more talent or larger penises etc, it's because they generally have a more considerate attitude when driving on the road. This isn't a random statement either - my wife for instance, is one of the most considerate and caring people you could ever meet, but if she's at a line of traffic alonside someone else, she HAS to drag them off. OK we're all guilty of some spirited driving, but you can do that without pissing off other road users.
And someone mentioned the Hamilton expressway? That piece of road and the northern extension thingy (on the shore) are the only two decently engineered bits of road in Auckland, the busiest city in NZ. The Hamilton expressway is still built from aggragate the size of a breeze block though which makes a hellish noise and wears your tyres and suspension down double quick. I mean there patches of it which are smooth as silk - why can't they all be like that?
And if someone uses the well-worn phrase of "made for Kiwi conditions" I'll f*cking scream!
The roads and driving is generally much better in the south island (in my limited experience). The worst drivers and the worst roads are in Auckland (IMHO). Some of you are comparing London with the South Island - you should be comparing the South Island with Wales or Scotland as those are the places with similar numbers. If you compare apples with apples - i.e. London vs Auckland the roads and standard of driving in London is much better.
I'm not trying to put NZers down, I just find it amazing how a perfectly approachable friendly Kiwi turns into a complete inconsiderate maniac when they get behind the wheel. If you transferred a random number of drivers from London for instance, to Auckland I have no doubt the roads would flow more, even in the rain and there would be less accidents. It's not because GB drivers have more talent or larger penises etc, it's because they generally have a more considerate attitude when driving on the road. This isn't a random statement either - my wife for instance, is one of the most considerate and caring people you could ever meet, but if she's at a line of traffic alonside someone else, she HAS to drag them off. OK we're all guilty of some spirited driving, but you can do that without pissing off other road users.
And someone mentioned the Hamilton expressway? That piece of road and the northern extension thingy (on the shore) are the only two decently engineered bits of road in Auckland, the busiest city in NZ. The Hamilton expressway is still built from aggragate the size of a breeze block though which makes a hellish noise and wears your tyres and suspension down double quick. I mean there patches of it which are smooth as silk - why can't they all be like that?
And if someone uses the well-worn phrase of "made for Kiwi conditions" I'll f*cking scream!
Having spent 15 years living in Europe with frequent trips to the UK - I would rate the typical mainland European driver far, far ahead of a typical UK driver who in turn I rate somewhat ahead of your typical Kiwi driver. The truckies in NZ are particularly bad and lane discipline is particularly non-existent - although the blame for this lies firmly with the government since it doesn't seem to be taught. Also the number of Asian drivers who don't have a clue is truly mind boggling
With regard to the roads - I think for the size, ruggedness of the country and the population it's a miracle there's a paved road from one end of the country to the other!
With regard to the roads - I think for the size, ruggedness of the country and the population it's a miracle there's a paved road from one end of the country to the other!
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