Did man *really* go to the moon...
Discussion
How comes it's gonna take them another 15 years? How comes they can;t control where all of the crap falls out of space, yet pinpointed the capsule of Apollo whatever within minutes? How come no film of that?
Just wondering?
I reckon it was all bulls**t!!!!
What do people think?
Richard
PS Car content is that some US forum reckons the Lunar Lander dimensionally apparently wouldn't have fit in the landing module.....
Just wondering?
I reckon it was all bulls**t!!!!
What do people think?
Richard
PS Car content is that some US forum reckons the Lunar Lander dimensionally apparently wouldn't have fit in the landing module.....
http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/ph Heaps of argument for and against. I personally think they have.
used to doubt they had, one sure fire way to prove it. Get the video and calculate the rate of fall of objects in the video (I know the arguments about slowing it down!), from this you can see what the gravitational field in on the objects in the video. You can't fake a gravitation field on earth (there are far too many objects and dust paticles etc to fake) except by building a moon set and spinning it round to simulate 1.6g, which is probably more effort than actually going to the moon.
They have been.
They have been.
IMO they did - we can make measurements of the distance to the moon by bouncing a laser off the prism array they put in place while they were there (accurate to about 15cm).
GravelBen said:
(accurate to about 15cm).
Not accurate enough to conduct a full moon survey then?
Richard Gee said:
How comes it's gonna take them another 15 years? How comes they can;t control where all of the crap falls out of space, yet pinpointed the capsule of Apollo whatever within minutes? How come no film of that?
Because it would have had a becon to broadcast back? I guess one reason they didn’t film it landing was because it was to expensive to send the film crew as well? I think they did it but America actually lost the space race, the USSR got there first, sent animals first, sent a man, then a lander to the moon etc. Yet somehow we seem reluctant to ask questions about those lesser publicised events? Besides it turned out that the moon was pretty boring and predictable.
speedy_thrills said:
GravelBen said:
(accurate to about 15cm).
Not accurate enough to conduct a full moon survey then?
you'd only get one side of it anyway 
I think the main thing it was actually used for was checking if SLR (satellite laser ranging) worked well enough to be worth sending reflector satellites up there. It did and they have, SLR is more precise than GPS but more expensive, less portable and more weather dependant.
Ditto Of course they did. www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html for a shreading of that arse wipe of a documentary, that suggested the landings were a hoax.
OK Rant mode on
The bits were all made.
There is Apollo stuff in museums all over the world. The Smithsonian has teriffic displays of the real unlaunched stuff. (They cut the program short because the great unwashed weren't excited about the moon any more. See the film Apollo 13 re the lack of interest.) The Cape and JPL have massive displays as well of the stuff from the cancelled missions, all with the pipes, wires etc they are NOT MOCKUPS!
The bits all flew
The Apollo program equipment was tested in earth orbit first, undocking, lunar lander flight etc. www.nasm.si.edu/collections/imagery/apollo/AS09/a09.htm This was visible to anyone with a top end amateur telescope. It was watched by 1000's of astromomers.
There was no coverup
The program had hundreds of thousands of contractors, workers etc all vital to getting the hardware, made, tested and launched. They are all in on the secret? I should coco.
It was not a one shot deal.
Six trips to the Moon bringing back a shed load of moon regolith and rock
And on and on and on.
Sorry but as a rocket head from waaay back this was and still is one of the most exciting, challenging and dangerous exploits the human race has done.
RIP Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee.
Cheers
Mark Stacey
OK Rant mode on
The bits were all made.
There is Apollo stuff in museums all over the world. The Smithsonian has teriffic displays of the real unlaunched stuff. (They cut the program short because the great unwashed weren't excited about the moon any more. See the film Apollo 13 re the lack of interest.) The Cape and JPL have massive displays as well of the stuff from the cancelled missions, all with the pipes, wires etc they are NOT MOCKUPS!
The bits all flew
The Apollo program equipment was tested in earth orbit first, undocking, lunar lander flight etc. www.nasm.si.edu/collections/imagery/apollo/AS09/a09.htm This was visible to anyone with a top end amateur telescope. It was watched by 1000's of astromomers.
There was no coverup
The program had hundreds of thousands of contractors, workers etc all vital to getting the hardware, made, tested and launched. They are all in on the secret? I should coco.
It was not a one shot deal.
Six trips to the Moon bringing back a shed load of moon regolith and rock
And on and on and on.
Sorry but as a rocket head from waaay back this was and still is one of the most exciting, challenging and dangerous exploits the human race has done.
RIP Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee.
Cheers
Mark Stacey
Edited by marksteamnz on Saturday 12th May 09:55
Edited by marksteamnz on Saturday 12th May 09:56
GravelBen said:
So what about if the moon was on a conveyor belt? 
... and tried to take off into a headwind?
GOD that one made me furious.... some people are just too damned stupid to understand basic relativity concepts..... it's no surprise that these people are the same people that think the world revolves around THEM.
Ponders a rocket-powered conveyor belt...LOL - I used to be totally convinced. Now I'm just, well, not.
I'm not saying all of the hardware is dud. I'd bet everything I owned that they put rockets etc into orbit and kept them there for days and weeks etc. But go to the moon...land...have a poke around...then TAKE OFF from the moon, fly back all the way in that little thing and plop neatly into the sea safe and sound. Just not sure.
The actual bit that they would need to fake - the actual landing - would have been feasible I reckon because they could conduct all of it away from the public eye. Plus with them actually sending the rocket up into space and all of that, it would be completely plausible.
It's probably just because I'm getting cynical in my second half, but I now seriously doubt theat the WHOLE mission - and specifically that little bit which made them 'better' than everyone - was ever achieved. Hats off for getting into space, still brilliant. But land on the moon... Nope.
Thanks for your entertaining comments :-)
I'm not saying all of the hardware is dud. I'd bet everything I owned that they put rockets etc into orbit and kept them there for days and weeks etc. But go to the moon...land...have a poke around...then TAKE OFF from the moon, fly back all the way in that little thing and plop neatly into the sea safe and sound. Just not sure.
The actual bit that they would need to fake - the actual landing - would have been feasible I reckon because they could conduct all of it away from the public eye. Plus with them actually sending the rocket up into space and all of that, it would be completely plausible.
It's probably just because I'm getting cynical in my second half, but I now seriously doubt theat the WHOLE mission - and specifically that little bit which made them 'better' than everyone - was ever achieved. Hats off for getting into space, still brilliant. But land on the moon... Nope.
Thanks for your entertaining comments :-)
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