LTNZ propaganda
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everytime I hear hear it.It's a bit of comedy B.S. 
Basically @ 100 kph it's like a beekeeper with all his safety equipment.
@ 102 kph you take away his smoke puffer.
@ 105 kph you take away his hood
@ 107 kph you take away his jacket
@ 110 kph you take away his trousers
All the while the beekeeper is getting stung and panicing in the background.
Thus proving, beyond all doubt, that 100 kph is inherently safe and anything more is inherently dangerous
Basically @ 100 kph it's like a beekeeper with all his safety equipment.
@ 102 kph you take away his smoke puffer.
@ 105 kph you take away his hood
@ 107 kph you take away his jacket
@ 110 kph you take away his trousers
All the while the beekeeper is getting stung and panicing in the background.
Thus proving, beyond all doubt, that 100 kph is inherently safe and anything more is inherently dangerous
Exactly.... and I guess meanwile it's also quite "lighthearted" traying to make you laugh while thinking "well I guess speeding really is dangerous"
I wonder at exactly what speed the beekeeper turns into a naked skydiver (sans-parachute) with a bee-sting allergy diving into an ocean of bees while simultaneously having an epileptic fit.
I wonder at exactly what speed the beekeeper turns into a naked skydiver (sans-parachute) with a bee-sting allergy diving into an ocean of bees while simultaneously having an epileptic fit.
Going back to the thread on falling from a building LTSA ad, the facts, which can be found by following the links from LTSA's own web site, are if you head on or hit an imovable object (bridge abutments are recomended) at 90kph you have about a 95% chance of dieing. At 100kph or over it's totally academic if you hit a non yeilding whatever or another vehicle of similar or greater mass. YOU WILL DIE.
Which is why I yell at the TV during the "I don't understand why" LTSA mince. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DIDN"T STEER THE ###KING CAR so you didn't have a head on you silly toe rag. Eat the bushes, rip a wheel off in the drainage ditch, clip a tree, sommesault the bloody car, anything to avoid a head on stopping you in 0.001 of a second as that is what is going to kill you.
Sigh. It's called Newtonian physics and it's been around a while.
And we can't have driver education ads. Might imply there is no magic solution. I like the fly boys mantra, when it's all going bad, first thing, FLY THE PLANE. In NZ the first thing to do according to LTSA is to freeze like a startled rabbit.
Grrr grumpy tonight
Mark Stacey
Which is why I yell at the TV during the "I don't understand why" LTSA mince. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DIDN"T STEER THE ###KING CAR so you didn't have a head on you silly toe rag. Eat the bushes, rip a wheel off in the drainage ditch, clip a tree, sommesault the bloody car, anything to avoid a head on stopping you in 0.001 of a second as that is what is going to kill you.
Sigh. It's called Newtonian physics and it's been around a while.
And we can't have driver education ads. Might imply there is no magic solution. I like the fly boys mantra, when it's all going bad, first thing, FLY THE PLANE. In NZ the first thing to do according to LTSA is to freeze like a startled rabbit.
Grrr grumpy tonight
Mark Stacey
Edited by marksteamnz on Saturday 6th January 19:36
hear hearmarksteamnz said:
. . . I like the fly boys mantra, when it's all going bad, first thing, FLY THE PLANE. In NZ the first thing to do according to LTSA is to freeze like a startled rabbit.
Grrr grumpy tonight
Mark Stacey
Grrr grumpy tonight
Mark Stacey
Very similar to the advice of one of the early US test pilots (might have been Chuck Yeager)
"If you're going to crash, fly the plane as far into the crash as possible."
The very first bit of track-day advice I got from a
instructor was: "If you see a crash in front of you DO NOT look at it. Look at the gap you need to get through. The car will tend to go wherever you're looking . . . so don't look at the crash."
The way I look at the speed limit these days is that the slower I am going the more time I have to avoid the bell-end who is inevitably going to try and kill me one day. I don't mind pushing on a bit if I'm happy with the weather, traffic, road etc but I speed far less than I used to. I try to minimise the responsibility that others on the road have for my safety.
But I totally agree Mark, driver education is lacking to the point that its dangerous. I am actually starting to see the sense of the Australian system where you pretty much can't get a full license until you're 20, and there's a 2 year probation period in which you are on your best behaviour. The problem is that no matter what you do there are always idiots intent on writing themselves and everyone else off. We need to devise a way to filter them out so that they either never see the drivers seat or are educated in the error of their ways. Something like 40% of fatalities in Western Australia are in the 18-24 age bracket!
But I totally agree Mark, driver education is lacking to the point that its dangerous. I am actually starting to see the sense of the Australian system where you pretty much can't get a full license until you're 20, and there's a 2 year probation period in which you are on your best behaviour. The problem is that no matter what you do there are always idiots intent on writing themselves and everyone else off. We need to devise a way to filter them out so that they either never see the drivers seat or are educated in the error of their ways. Something like 40% of fatalities in Western Australia are in the 18-24 age bracket!
I agree on watching the limits etc. There's to many nimrods out there. It's just the stupid stuff. We did a big trip from Welling to to Auckland round the outside of Eastland.....Eastland who invented that it's East Cape to the rest of New Zealand. Anyway occasional petrol saver's encountered, (keep it at 85koph we will save maybe $15 on the trip) who were blasted past. But I HATE being on the wrong side of the road so I go PAST. Nice straight, boot it, 140 150 kph, pull in, slow to 100kph. That's in the wife's Celica which is on pretty good tyres
But I'm really cautious about speeding up to pass nitwit driver on the really long passing lanes (Now at 100kph previously doing 85kph and down to 70kph on any bend (MURIEL IT'S A BEND WE MIGHT DIE))as the revenue collectors have taken it upon themselves to put camera vans on these to ping you. We saw 3 on our trip.
So unless Co driver has done the really long scan it's 100kph in the passing lane and take them on a two lane straight. Stupid stuff.
There was a spokesman from LTSA on before christmas who was talking about the speed up in nice wide passing lane loonies and said "Well it's a natural reaction it feels safer so people speed up" WHAT THE F###!! He's saying it's OK that drivers out there are so oblivious to road conditions that this can't be helped. Great balls of fire!!
I normally punt a Mitzi Space Gear up to the ranch. I SLOW in the pasing bays as the beast is running 105kph on the flat but usually loaded up so I'm not quick up hills, I wave people past as I'm 14 feet up in the air, pull over for bikes (unless they are Harleys
) and know the spots on Hwy 16 that are safe passing straights I'll wave them on and button off.
That on my ever so humble opioion should be what LTSA should be beating the great unwashed with.
But speed kills. NO HITTING THINGS KILLS. Or as the saying goes it's not the falling it's the stopping that hurts.
Cheers
Mark Stacey
But I'm really cautious about speeding up to pass nitwit driver on the really long passing lanes (Now at 100kph previously doing 85kph and down to 70kph on any bend (MURIEL IT'S A BEND WE MIGHT DIE))as the revenue collectors have taken it upon themselves to put camera vans on these to ping you. We saw 3 on our trip.
So unless Co driver has done the really long scan it's 100kph in the passing lane and take them on a two lane straight. Stupid stuff.
There was a spokesman from LTSA on before christmas who was talking about the speed up in nice wide passing lane loonies and said "Well it's a natural reaction it feels safer so people speed up" WHAT THE F###!! He's saying it's OK that drivers out there are so oblivious to road conditions that this can't be helped. Great balls of fire!!
I normally punt a Mitzi Space Gear up to the ranch. I SLOW in the pasing bays as the beast is running 105kph on the flat but usually loaded up so I'm not quick up hills, I wave people past as I'm 14 feet up in the air, pull over for bikes (unless they are Harleys
) and know the spots on Hwy 16 that are safe passing straights I'll wave them on and button off. That on my ever so humble opioion should be what LTSA should be beating the great unwashed with.
But speed kills. NO HITTING THINGS KILLS. Or as the saying goes it's not the falling it's the stopping that hurts.
Cheers
Mark Stacey
marksteamnz said:
"MURIEL IT'S A BEND WE MIGHT DIE"
I'm constantly amazed how some of these types don't actually steer into corners. They drive straight . . . and then correct when they start going out of their lane
And there are now no compulsory senior driving tests
Exactly which GPs are going to black-card a senior (unless their family asks him/her to) uberscruff said:
Esprit said:
Mark,
s I always say..... I'd rather NOT have an accident at 20km/h over the limit than have one at 20km/h under.
s I always say..... I'd rather NOT have an accident at 20km/h over the limit than have one at 20km/h under.
Unfortunately, because of the driving abilities of others on the road, you don't always get a say in the matter.
The thing is, the faster I drive, the more alert I am..... studies have shown that this is the case in most people..... what's more dangerous... someone doing 20km/h over the limit and alert, or 20 km/h under the limit and half asleep?
Half asleep or . . .
"Tracey said that she saw Dylan with Becky, who is a complete s1ut ya know, because she knows that Dylan was like going-out with Emma and she'll be like "Oh My God" because when she broke-up with Daniel, who's now seeing Gabby . . ."
4 or 5 girls in a hatchback scare the espresso out of me
"Tracey said that she saw Dylan with Becky, who is a complete s1ut ya know, because she knows that Dylan was like going-out with Emma and she'll be like "Oh My God" because when she broke-up with Daniel, who's now seeing Gabby . . ."
4 or 5 girls in a hatchback scare the espresso out of me
Esprit said:
uberscruff said:
Esprit said:
Mark,
s I always say..... I'd rather NOT have an accident at 20km/h over the limit than have one at 20km/h under.
s I always say..... I'd rather NOT have an accident at 20km/h over the limit than have one at 20km/h under.
Unfortunately, because of the driving abilities of others on the road, you don't always get a say in the matter.
The thing is, the faster I drive, the more alert I am..... studies have shown that this is the case in most people..... what's more dangerous... someone doing 20km/h over the limit and alert, or 20 km/h under the limit and half asleep?
What I'm getting at is that no matter how good a driver you are, if someone else on the road is drunk or falling asleep (or just plain crap), they can cause a crash with you. You can be 100% not at fault, but you will still have the crash because of someone else's actions that you have absolutely no control over. In this sort of scenario, it's down to the impact speed and the type of cars involved that will decide whether you live or die.
It's all very will to say "If everyone was a great driver, we could all drive faster and not crash." That is of course true, but at the moment there a lot of bad drivers out there looking for new and inventive ways to colllide with the good drivers. I would like to think that one day everyone could drive as well as the sort of people who post on PH, but I suspect it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Kiwi XTR2 said:
Basically @ 100 kph it's like a beekeeper with all his safety equipment.
@ 102 kph you take away his smoke puffer.
@ 105 kph you take away his hood
@ 107 kph you take away his jacket
@ 110 kph you take away his trousers
And at the 150+ km/h I followed a rusting old nail of a Mitsubishi the other day heading North on SH2 the other day? @ 102 kph you take away his smoke puffer.
@ 105 kph you take away his hood
@ 107 kph you take away his jacket
@ 110 kph you take away his trousers
For legal reasons naturally the speed has been estimated (at no point have I ever went more than 100km/h while on public roads of course and I mean that without even a hint of irony
), to drive this speed safely would take great concentration and a reasonable level of driving skill.My 2c
Driving should be covered in some way, shape or form at college level even if it was a one off course once a year. Teach the kids something to help them in the real world rather than some of the bogus stuff they get fed.
Compulsary driver training. Could be subsidised by Helen if she diverted funds away from Police hiding in bushes etc.
Re-tests (10 minute scratchy ones) for all every XX years to keep us on our toes (I'd probably fail and consider myself a good driver.
120km down passing lanes should be acceptable.
Police should use commonsence like the MOT had when they were patroling so if you were passing an inconsiderate driver doing 60kmph on a SH who doesn't pull left (happened on my way home tonight) and exceed 100km for a few seconds, pull in and then drop back to 100kmph that should be o.k. Less time ETD.
Compulsary insurance. Would fix the inexperienced drivers owner 300bhp EVO's
That's all I can think of at the moment
Driving should be covered in some way, shape or form at college level even if it was a one off course once a year. Teach the kids something to help them in the real world rather than some of the bogus stuff they get fed.
Compulsary driver training. Could be subsidised by Helen if she diverted funds away from Police hiding in bushes etc.
Re-tests (10 minute scratchy ones) for all every XX years to keep us on our toes (I'd probably fail and consider myself a good driver.
120km down passing lanes should be acceptable.
Police should use commonsence like the MOT had when they were patroling so if you were passing an inconsiderate driver doing 60kmph on a SH who doesn't pull left (happened on my way home tonight) and exceed 100km for a few seconds, pull in and then drop back to 100kmph that should be o.k. Less time ETD.
Compulsary insurance. Would fix the inexperienced drivers owner 300bhp EVO's
That's all I can think of at the moment
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