Targa NZ - 2006 Edition
Discussion
Have you seen what Peter Brock and Steve Millen are bringing out for Targa to try to beat Jim Richards?
I hope they've modified the stupid power:weight rules
I hope they've modified the stupid power:weight rules
Can't recall how much weight I would have to add to the Westie but it was well over 100kg. Driver & co-driver would add 200kg but don't count.
Cool eh 
- the power to weight issue is just one of the ways to meet the FIA imposed 132kmh max average stage speeds. I expect that at some point people will realise that some cars, while incredibly capable, are just unsuitable under the Targa/ FIA regulations. Macks Porsche 996 Turbo is a classic example - technology-wise its an ideal vehicle but you've got to question what 200kg of ballast and a requirement to run on road tyres does for the inherent safety of the package - the undelying reason behind the 132kmh restriction.
- the power to weight issue is just one of the ways to meet the FIA imposed 132kmh max average stage speeds. I expect that at some point people will realise that some cars, while incredibly capable, are just unsuitable under the Targa/ FIA regulations. Macks Porsche 996 Turbo is a classic example - technology-wise its an ideal vehicle but you've got to question what 200kg of ballast and a requirement to run on road tyres does for the inherent safety of the package - the undelying reason behind the 132kmh restriction. Wouldn't mind doing the Tour one year. They advertise that its not so competitive and an opportunity to give your P & J a good run on the closed twisties. I bet you would be pretty nackered by the end of the week from full on driving every day!
www.targa.co.nz/Narva_Tour_753.aspx
www.targa.co.nz/Narva_Tour_753.aspx
I would love to, problem being convincing the husbands Co to sponser me What does it cost $5-10K and a week or so off work? Have to build up the annual leave for a start and teach Simon that spewing in the car is not an option!! Definately would love to keep the other Esprits honest though would be extremly fun 
What does it cost $5-10K and a week or so off work? Have to build up the annual leave for a start and teach Simon that spewing in the car is not an option!! Definately would love to keep the other Esprits honest though would be extremly fun www.motorsport.org.nz/News/news25Aug06Targa.htm
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renn68 said:
Cool eh - the power to weight issue is just one of the ways to meet the FIA imposed 132kmh max average stage speeds. I expect that at some point people will realise that some cars, while incredibly capable, are just unsuitable under the Targa/ FIA regulations. Macks Porsche 996 Turbo is a classic example - technology-wise its an ideal vehicle but you've got to question what 200kg of ballast and a requirement to run on road tyres does for the inherent safety of the package - the undelying reason behind the 132kmh restriction.
- the power to weight issue is just one of the ways to meet the FIA imposed 132kmh max average stage speeds. I expect that at some point people will realise that some cars, while incredibly capable, are just unsuitable under the Targa/ FIA regulations. Macks Porsche 996 Turbo is a classic example - technology-wise its an ideal vehicle but you've got to question what 200kg of ballast and a requirement to run on road tyres does for the inherent safety of the package - the undelying reason behind the 132kmh restriction.I'm sorry, but adding that much ballast to cars that ARE suited to Targa events is just bull
. When you look at the 'offs' since they introduced these rules
The FIA cannot dictate a universal average speed for an event in NZ. If MANZ weren't such a bunch of plonkers they would sort it out. More peak speed-traps on stages and penalties for exceeding stage specific average speeds would achieve the objective without compromising the inherent safety of the vehicle . . . and its occupants.
I agree that adding that much ballast is crazy, but I don't know that its caused a significant increase in the high speed "offs", although I stand to be corrected.
Max speed is already limited to 200kmh, a significant number of stages already have 500m/50kmh speed zones and 1st gear chicanes.
A number of the really fast guys are going to be obliged to fit Monit meters so that officialdom can monitor excursions over 200k.
Turbo's already have to run restrictors effectively controlling the power side of the equation so if you really want to run a super hi power to weight ratio vehicle, de-powering would be a viable alternative to adding weight?
If you had to run with 200kg in the XTR to meet class requirements, wouldn't the logical conclusion be the car is unsuitable for the class, not withstanding that it is a highly competent piece of machinery in its own right?
Max speed is already limited to 200kmh, a significant number of stages already have 500m/50kmh speed zones and 1st gear chicanes.
A number of the really fast guys are going to be obliged to fit Monit meters so that officialdom can monitor excursions over 200k.
Turbo's already have to run restrictors effectively controlling the power side of the equation so if you really want to run a super hi power to weight ratio vehicle, de-powering would be a viable alternative to adding weight?
If you had to run with 200kg in the XTR to meet class requirements, wouldn't the logical conclusion be the car is unsuitable for the class, not withstanding that it is a highly competent piece of machinery in its own right?
renn68 said:
. . . If you had to run with 200kg in the XTR to meet class requirements, wouldn't the logical conclusion be the car is unsuitable for the class, not withstanding that it is a highly competent piece of machinery in its own right?
What 'class' ??? All of the classes have the power:weight restriction, with extra rules for turbos etc A Targa is a series of quick bits, between slower bits, as you travel around the countryside for 2-6 days in road legal cars.
I did Targa in 1997 as co-driver for Ray Lintott . . . there was no such rule back then.
"Last century . . . ."
yeah but in practice,it really only applies to really modern or modified vehicles.
I don't think we're going to find another 200hp anywhere soon and the alternative of losing 200kg would be somewhat cost prohibitive - but it doesn't stop us from having a blast.
I just wonder how long they are going to be able to run the tour in road cars with no safety gear (excepting first aid kit/ zekta/ fire extinguisher)
I don't think we're going to find another 200hp anywhere soon and the alternative of losing 200kg would be somewhat cost prohibitive - but it doesn't stop us from having a blast.
I just wonder how long they are going to be able to run the tour in road cars with no safety gear (excepting first aid kit/ zekta/ fire extinguisher)
Parsons is always good for a laugh 
He came down to the Otago Classic Rally this year, and was surprisingly less sideways on gravel than he usually is on tarmac.
Roger Townsend also has a habit of being very entertaining in his BDA Escort (not to mention very fast as well)
Remember that cop last year who decided he'd drive through one of the targa stages 'to check it was clear' and put his police commode nose-first into a ditch?
Edited by GravelBen on Saturday 2nd September 05:17
Being new here I have never seen the Targa.. but that hasn't stopped us from putting in an entry for the Narva tour to find out what it is all about. I'd be interested in any photos you may snap of the red Triumph Stag... the one that sounds like a Griff 500 for some reason. Can't think why??
If anyone has done the Narva tour recently, I'd be pleased to hear from them so I know what to expect - I'm mainly on map duty, as it is the Bro in law's car he gets to drive.
If anyone has done the Narva tour recently, I'd be pleased to hear from them so I know what to expect - I'm mainly on map duty, as it is the Bro in law's car he gets to drive.
Have you practiced any terra-trip (or whatever you're using) & intercom work at race pace?
Lintott had me calling the next days notes for an hour or so the night before each day. Even so it was a bit different screaming along at race pace.
Lintott had me calling the next days notes for an hour or so the night before each day. Even so it was a bit different screaming along at race pace.
Ray said:
"Would you please stop yelling in my ear . . ."
Good on you Iain - you'll have a ball. We did the tour 3 times before getting around to competing this year - 1x Mitsi GTO twin turbo, 2x Porsche 944 turbo
If you are in the left hand seat, it helps if you can see the odometer or trip meter as it will help with the distances. Even better if its in km.
Mary and Charles who are doing the tour again in there MGB V8 are in miles so Mary has a calculator to work out the distances on the fly.
Fire off any questions you would like answered.
If you are in the left hand seat, it helps if you can see the odometer or trip meter as it will help with the distances. Even better if its in km.
Mary and Charles who are doing the tour again in there MGB V8 are in miles so Mary has a calculator to work out the distances on the fly.
Fire off any questions you would like answered.
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