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www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10397438
If you've not seen the video there's a link to it....
So basically it's a PR campaign for the cops that tries to tell us that even if we speed by a tiny tiny bit, we're still being murderous baby killers and they're doing it for our safety.... sorry, but I call bulls:censoredt on this one.
When oh when will they target the REAL issue... bad driving and unlicensed drivers?
If you've not seen the video there's a link to it....
So basically it's a PR campaign for the cops that tries to tell us that even if we speed by a tiny tiny bit, we're still being murderous baby killers and they're doing it for our safety.... sorry, but I call bulls:censoredt on this one.
When oh when will they target the REAL issue... bad driving and unlicensed drivers?
) in two separate organisations. Since moving to Wellies he seems to have gone native 
Saw it last night, what a load of crap - basically they're saying that the guy is being dangerous by doing 112kph, but it doesn't matter that he's looking over talking to his kids and not watching the road.
and as for:
What a load of utter
, I'd like to see him try and back that up.
Just more socialist dogma, telling us that the all-poweful government knows whats good for us better than we do...
and as for:
director of bullsh1t oops I mean Land Transport said:
You are twice as likely to be involved in a fatal crash travelling at 120km/h than you are travelling at 100km/h.
What a load of utter
, I'd like to see him try and back that up. Just more socialist dogma, telling us that the all-poweful government knows whats good for us better than we do...
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 22 August 05:07
)GravelBen said:
Actually believe it or not I am being a good boy and studying for an environmental engineering test tomorrow 
The trick here (purely for the purposes of passing the paper) is to think as GREEN and as LEFT as possible.
When in doubt write:
"Consent should be deferred pending further investigation of possible alternative means of mitigation of the adverse environmental effects to achieve a comprehensively sustainable outcome."
Try to avoid writing:
"If in doubt, fill it up with concrete !!"
the papers been set by an engineer (and a good one at that) so theres a good deal more common sense than Ms Clark would like - had an interesting look at the system they use in Dusseldorf (Germany), they recycle everything they can, burn the rest to generate electricity, once the water goes through the steam-turbines its still pretty hot so it gets pumped into town for hot-water supply, most of the ash from the incinerator is screened and used for road surfacing etc, the amount they put in landfill at the end is less than 5% of what goes into the burner. Of course, it probably wouldn't have a hope of getting resource consent here, too much engineering involved for the greeny-leftist-nimby-melons Back on topic, another thing I noticed about that ad was the attempt at trying to re-humanise the police. Probably not really a bad thing I guess, but maybe being less anal about arbitrary numerical limits would earn repect a bit quicker...
GravelBen said:
the papers been set by an engineer (and a good one at that) so theres a good deal more common sense than Ms Clark would like - had an interesting look at the system they use in Dusseldorf (Germany), they recycle everything they can, burn the rest to generate electricity, once the water goes through the steam-turbines its still pretty hot so it gets pumped into town for hot-water supply, most of the ash from the incinerator is screened and used for road surfacing etc, the amount they put in landfill at the end is less than 5% of what goes into the burner. Of course, it probably wouldn't have a hope of getting resource consent here, too much engineering involved for the greeny-leftist-nimby-melons Back on topic, another thing I noticed about that ad was the attempt at trying to re-humanise the police. Probably not really a bad thing I guess, but maybe being less anal about arbitrary numerical limits would earn repect a bit quicker...
Aah the good old combined cycle generation... supposedly the energy recovery (efficiency) from that sort of process is ~95+%!!! Which is bloody good... you kinda have to have the infrastructure and the need to use the excess heat though.... works well in northern unit, not so well in Hawaii
Typical government revenue generating too lazy to deal with the real causes bullshit.
The usual line trotted out of...
In other words.. Was the vehicle moving at the time of the accident? If yes then tick the speed related box. I'll guarantee that most accidents are caused by carelessness. The thing is it's very easy to catch people speeding. It's a lot more tricky to catch people being careless. Probably 10% of all drivers should have their licenses taken off them. You know the type, death grip on the wheel, 100% of their concentration is devoted to simply controlling their vehicle, leaving 0% to anticipate or pay due attention to what's going on around them. Yet they think it's a god given right to be able to obtain a license and be in control of a 1000kg+ guided missile!
As for the crap about the accidents caused by being at or just over the limit, more bollox. I'm old enough to remember when the oil shocks hit and the speed limit was reduced to 80kmph. No doubt anyone going over 80kmph was considered to be a reckless speeder! Why is 100kmph considered safe, perhaps it should be 97.67543323kmph or any other arbiturary number. At the end of the day the only way to reduce accident rates is to improve the STANDARD of driving. Speed is a factor, but most of the time it is not the CAUSE, something the tossers in Wellington have convienently turned a blind eye to...
The usual line trotted out of...
Waste of tax payers money bureaucrat said:
Nearly half of all speed-related crashes happen at or around the speed limit.
In other words.. Was the vehicle moving at the time of the accident? If yes then tick the speed related box. I'll guarantee that most accidents are caused by carelessness. The thing is it's very easy to catch people speeding. It's a lot more tricky to catch people being careless. Probably 10% of all drivers should have their licenses taken off them. You know the type, death grip on the wheel, 100% of their concentration is devoted to simply controlling their vehicle, leaving 0% to anticipate or pay due attention to what's going on around them. Yet they think it's a god given right to be able to obtain a license and be in control of a 1000kg+ guided missile!
As for the crap about the accidents caused by being at or just over the limit, more bollox. I'm old enough to remember when the oil shocks hit and the speed limit was reduced to 80kmph. No doubt anyone going over 80kmph was considered to be a reckless speeder! Why is 100kmph considered safe, perhaps it should be 97.67543323kmph or any other arbiturary number. At the end of the day the only way to reduce accident rates is to improve the STANDARD of driving. Speed is a factor, but most of the time it is not the CAUSE, something the tossers in Wellington have convienently turned a blind eye to...
Waste of tax payers money bureaucrat said:
Nearly half of all speed-related crashes happen at or around the speed limit.
...this might just be because most vehicles travel at or around the speed limit? shock!horror! Presumably most of the 'other half' happen at below the speed limit, or they'd be telling us that 'most speed-related crashes happen at or above the speed limit'.
I can't recall the exact figures, and couldn't find anything on road toll on www.statistics.govt.nz , but I seem to remember it was around 8-9% of fatal crashes involved a vehicle exceeding the speed limit... Anyone have some mroe specific info on this?
Esprit said:
Aah the good old combined cycle generation... supposedly the energy recovery (efficiency) from that sort of process is ~95+%!!!
Oh wouldn't it be luvverly... gas turbine efficiency on an outstanding day is only high-30%s and combined cycle will get that up around 50-55%. Turbine exhaust temps are around the 500 degree mark which is good for raising high pressure steam in the exhaust stacks to put through turbines. But I digress from the topic...
Surely the fact that about half of all crashes occur at or over the speed limit means that it isn't a factor in crashes? I bet the average speed for all car journeys is over the speed limit but they are saying that the average crash speed is under the limit (the mid mark being by their admission below the limit)? Unfortunately Labour showed at the last election what a bunch of namby pampy retarded t
ts they think the general population are, which leads to ads like this appearing on tv. If a car is moving it has the potential to crash. Its as simple as that. What vastly increases that potential is the tt behind the wheel.They would improve the cities no end if they concentrated expensive police effort on dealing with the drug problem rather than persecuting motorists.. It shouldn't be too difficult. I've only been here a couple of months and have seen cars being vandalised by yoofs who admitted to being on P - called the police who didn't bother to attend. At the weekend yoof in minibus slowed down to ask for directions to "The local P lab".
C'mon they aren't exactly hiding.. how difficult can it be??? Answer - harder and less lucrative than photographing cars at 110kph.
Madness.....
C'mon they aren't exactly hiding.. how difficult can it be??? Answer - harder and less lucrative than photographing cars at 110kph.
Madness.....
[quote=htsd]Oh wouldn't it be luvverly... gas turbine efficiency on an outstanding day is only high-30%s and combined cycle will get that up around 50-55%. Turbine exhaust temps are around the 500 degree mark which is good for raising high pressure steam in the exhaust stacks to put through turbines. But I digress from the topic.../quote]
That's not what I learned in Thermodynamics... you're right about convential team turbine efficiencies for sure, but in combined heat and power generation operations, an efficiency of well over 80% can be realised.... or so my friend the wikipedia claims... wow seems I was listening in a thermodynamics lecture at some point after all
I'm just sick of the crime/speeding issue
It's clear that it's too much of a cashcow for motivation to change
That's not what I learned in Thermodynamics... you're right about convential team turbine efficiencies for sure, but in combined heat and power generation operations, an efficiency of well over 80% can be realised.... or so my friend the wikipedia claims... wow seems I was listening in a thermodynamics lecture at some point after all
I'm just sick of the crime/speeding issue
It's clear that it's too much of a cashcow for motivation to change Esprit said:
...in combined heat and power generation operations, an efficiency of well over 80% can be realised.... or so my friend the wikipedia claims... wow seems I was listening in a thermodynamics lecture at some point after all
I'm just sick of the crime/speeding issue It's clear that it's too much of a cashcow for motivation to change
I'm just sick of the crime/speeding issue
It's clear that it's too much of a cashcow for motivation to change And of course, its even better when the stuff you're using as fuel was waste anyway
Gotta agree with you on the crime/speeding thing, I guess Helens never really been one to value integrity over money, power or personal gain.....hopefully by the time the next election comes round enough people will be sick of this crap to get rid of them.
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 22 August 13:55
http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/reports/C
"ABSTRACT
In July 2003, the speed limit on approximately 1,100 km of rural arterial roads in South Australia was reduced from 110 km/h to 100 km/h. The crash experience on these roads in the two years before and the two years following the change has been compared with that on other roads where the 110 km/h limit was not changed.
It appears that the speed limit reduction has had the effect of reducing casualty crashes by 20 per cent. However, the number of crashes on these roads is small and the time since the change is so short that this estimate is uncertain. It is reasonable to think that in the longer term the change might be anywhere between an increase of 4 per cent and a
decrease of 44 per cent. There was a decrease in crashes and casualties on the 110 km/h roads where the speed limit did not change and that has been allowed for in the calculations.
At six sites, speed measurements before and after the speed limit reduction were available: an average speed reduction of 2 km/h was found."
I can't help feeling that there are a lot of factors missing. Even so, along the line the abstract will get whittled down to a soundbite, something like this:
"Reducing the average speed on a road by 2km/h will reduce accidents by 44%"
That would make a great ad.....
Dan
Dan, you're right... which is why you can never rely on LTSA stats as given, you must look at their method (if they reveal it)... if you search back on here you'll see that I posted in a thread about the LTSA ad where they crashed the two falcons into the truck.... my calculations show that their claims were blatantly biased and completely missed the point.
I find anything that goes over 100kph causes instant death to many, many poor people, including women and children.
I even suspect sneezing (rated at 100-200 MILES PER HOUR!) is a cause for global deaths on a trully massive scale. wont somebody think of the children?
Just the other day whilst looking at the road (d'oh) my speed breifly crept over 100kph, luckily this was on an open, empty , straight highway and I think only a few bugs & prehaps a possum died, I berate myself daily since for not thinking of the children.
I believe if we lower the speed limit to 0 (zero) km/h we'll drasticaly reduce the road death toll & all the little children will be perfectly safe for evermore.
I even suspect sneezing (rated at 100-200 MILES PER HOUR!) is a cause for global deaths on a trully massive scale. wont somebody think of the children?
Just the other day whilst looking at the road (d'oh) my speed breifly crept over 100kph, luckily this was on an open, empty , straight highway and I think only a few bugs & prehaps a possum died, I berate myself daily since for not thinking of the children.
I believe if we lower the speed limit to 0 (zero) km/h we'll drasticaly reduce the road death toll & all the little children will be perfectly safe for evermore.
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