Motorcycle on water
Discussion
Any one see the piece on “60 minutes”? Think its another hoax? I’m very skeptical about his claims and would like to see them independently verified by a car company on a carefully controlled engine and not one on a dodgy motorcycle. I can think of a few ways to set up a hoax like that, I’m just not sure why he is doing it though (I mean getting funding as an inventor is hard enough to carry out research, if you lie about results you have no chance ever again).
Would be great if it was real though :(
Would be great if it was real though :(
Setting aside the detailed mechanicals of the engine, did they explain the thermodynamic cycle ?
Clearly it can't be Otto cycle or Diesel cycle.
I did a bit of work in the VFRU (Vehicle Fuels Research Unit) at the University of Auckland in the late 80's. The Director did explain how one of the 'Water Engines' was faked 10ish years earlier.
Don't know whether this is the case here . . . but let's just say I won't be investing in their prospectus.
Wait for Jim Anderton to come through with a Ministry of Economic Development grant.
Clearly it can't be Otto cycle or Diesel cycle.
I did a bit of work in the VFRU (Vehicle Fuels Research Unit) at the University of Auckland in the late 80's. The Director did explain how one of the 'Water Engines' was faked 10ish years earlier.
Don't know whether this is the case here . . . but let's just say I won't be investing in their prospectus.
Wait for Jim Anderton to come through with a Ministry of Economic Development grant.
Well apparently he has applied for a patent, which will let everyone see the details, however the NZ Patent Office doesn't seem to allow free viewing of patents? Anyway the fact that its emissions were very similar to that of a normal petrol engine makes me think that its rubbish. There's obviously a hydrocarbon involved in there somewhere.
Funnily enough, Hicham Idriss who they interviewed as a chemistry lecturer from the University of Auckland took me for one of my papers. His area of expertise is atomic-level surface kinetics so they must have thought some sort of catalysis was involved. Either that or its leaching something out of whatever that box was he poured it through.
Funnily enough, Hicham Idriss who they interviewed as a chemistry lecturer from the University of Auckland took me for one of my papers. His area of expertise is atomic-level surface kinetics so they must have thought some sort of catalysis was involved. Either that or its leaching something out of whatever that box was he poured it through.
Kiwi XTR2 said:Don’t know about that, he claimed it ran on just a modified carb (which raised my suspicions of foul play greatly). The engine was never pulled apart and inspected, neither was the frame (which is probably exactly what I would use as a hidden fuel tank).
Setting aside the detailed mechanicals of the engine, did they explain the thermodynamic cycle ?
Clearly it can't be Otto cycle or Diesel cycle.
I have to say when they where running the emissions test it looked like it was poorly tuned TBH.
He claimed the fuel was detonating yet when some one tried to light the fuel in a paper cup no visible flames could be seen?
Cant remember the chap’s name but he was from up north.
If the hydrocarbon fuel had a high enough flash point it wouldn't light in that test- its very hard to light things like diesel so it may well have been an even 'heavier' hydrocarbon than that. I'm beginning to suspect that it is actually an alcohol with around 8-10 carbons in it which would make it water soluble but not particularly volatile. It would have to be a pretty strong mixture to burn though, so I can't explain away all the water!
gtivr4 said:
I am confused as to how he got energy from water, which (to the best of my limited knowledge) has no real energy content.
GravelBen said:
He's discovered cold fusion!
So his Magic-Box turns water into Heavy Water . . .
He must be using Di-lithium Crystals in his Flux Capacitor
Kiwi XTR2 said:
I am confused as to how he got energy from water, which (to the best of my limited knowledge) has no real energy content.
GravelBen said:
So his Magic-Box turns water into Heavy Water . . .
He must be using Di-lithium Crystals in his Flux Capacitor
or he's using seawater, with a rather clever filter. plenty of deuterium and tritium in the sea
gtivr4 said:Well he *claimed* (and I very much emphasize the “claimed” part of that) that this miracle box of his turned the water into something that would combust in an engine and yet not outside of the engine? He connected up some wires before however, though apparently there was no outside energy source (Mind you it could be a chemical reaction with water that released some kind of alcohol and reacted with the water freeing up the hydrogen and oxygen).
Sadly I missed the story. Was he claiming that the engine ran on only water? I am confused as to how he got energy from water, which (to the best of my limited knowledge) has no real energy content.
I’m sure if it was true he would not hesitate to contact a major car manufacturer and let them conduct tests in a scientific manner with their engines (With him overseeing), after all they would want to be the first to collect data that would give them a head start over rivals. Alas he only demonstrates with his little modified single cylinder motorcycle
The more I think about it the more I am convinced it’s a fraud.
TV3 Website said:
THE SOLUTION
This Kiwi inventor claims he has cracked the world’s energy and environmental problems… he runs his motorbike not on petrol, but a form of water.
Is this a strange and elaborate hoax or the solution to all our problems? As Sarah Hall watches on, it has all the appearance of being for real.
Hall sees the water, drinks it, watches as it is ‘modified’ with a secret formula, and then sees it poured into the bike’s petrol tank. The bike runs perfectly…
speedy_thrills said:
THE SOLUTION
This Kiwi inventor claims he has cracked the world’s energy and environmental problems… he runs his motorbike not on petrol, but a form of water.
Is this a strange and elaborate hoax or the solution to all our problems? As Sarah Hall watches on, it has all the appearance of being for real.
Hall sees the water, drinks it, watches as it is ‘modified’ with a secret formula, and then sees it poured into the bike’s petrol tank. The bike runs perfectly…
well i've drunk petrol (once) and you can run a car on that....whats new?
Bloody hell, they really do breed ‘em tough down south! 
. Is this one of those “Well I was really drunk…” type stories?
Well actually,
embarrasingly enough, I was (pretty much) stone cold sober, was with a few mates and thought "hmm I wonder what petrol tastes like", and then they wouldn't believe I would actually drink some, and...well...if you know me, thats quite a good way of getting me to do something 
anyway, the flavour wasnt too bad when actually drinking it, but the aftertaste was pretty
, and it took 2 days to get the taste out of me mouth (no matter how much you clean your teeth, it doesn't help)
I learned me lesson.......
embarrasingly enough, I was (pretty much) stone cold sober, was with a few mates and thought "hmm I wonder what petrol tastes like", and then they wouldn't believe I would actually drink some, and...well...if you know me, thats quite a good way of getting me to do something anyway, the flavour wasnt too bad when actually drinking it, but the aftertaste was pretty
, and it took 2 days to get the taste out of me mouth (no matter how much you clean your teeth, it doesn't help) I learned me lesson.......
Just caught the end of a repeat screening on 60 Minutes. I think the guy's name was Steve Ryan . . . common name but time to do some goooooogling.
The guy didn't seem that convincing to me. Looked like he had more to hide than patient protection.
And Dr Raine looks exactly the same as he did 18 years ago
The guy didn't seem that convincing to me. Looked like he had more to hide than patient protection.
And Dr Raine looks exactly the same as he did 18 years ago
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