Rolling Road Griff & Chim
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irish boy said:
where is the rolling road and what time are you going down at??
The rolling road is in Doagh, Co Antrim, at a place called Car Toyz on the Ballymena road out of Doagh. Doagh's not that big you can't go wrong (I used to live there !)
We aim to be there for Noon on Saturday.
Shmern
Multimap of place
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Car Toyz web site
www.cartoyz.co.uk
>> Edited by shmern on Friday 18th March 11:13
: Well what a time was had and how did we do, well
Silver CHIMAERA 278 BHP at the Wheels top speed 159MPH
Red Griffith 500 268 BHP at the Wheels top speed 165MPH
Green Tuscan 352 BHP at the Wheels top speed 169MPH
What fun we had and oh it was so good and sweet to see the figures.
Colin L With Big
rnd said:
Now Colin I dont believe that you wrote this. How could you reach the keyboard from the ceiling. And Stu it was AT THE WHEELS. I think Colin asked the mechanic to stick one of the nitros bottles somewhere in the fuel line. If I wasn't there I would not have believed it.
Ray, Colin has just called round and does seem to have extra air in his soles
Those numbers are unreal
I think an endoscope down the bores is in order 
Hmmmmm....I think a call to the bank manager is in order...I feel a 5.5L coming on
Stu.
>> Edited by Stu247 on Saturday 19th March 19:29
The numbers are real.....but they are just numbers.
A RR that reads high will always please customers. I guess CT have to do something to try and please their customers, as they wont do it through knowledge, ability or customer service.
Im just glad to hear your cars made it through the day....many havent.
A RR that reads high will always please customers. I guess CT have to do something to try and please their customers, as they wont do it through knowledge, ability or customer service.
Im just glad to hear your cars made it through the day....many havent.
Still on the ceiling boys & girls Happy am I, very happy, but then who would not be.
Stevie Turbo can you please explain what you mean about making it through today. Do you have a car none on your profile listed.
As for the Rolling Road reading high, well I for one have considered that and am happy with the results of the day.
If I had gone by myself no one would have believed me but with the Griff 500 on first and the figures in the right places then my Chimaera 400HC with its surprising figures followed by a Tuscan with its figures spot on, but down from its last run,she had a full service, valves down + clutch, the Tuscan that is. Well I am sure that the figures are correct.They were all for the BHP at the wheels.
Remember I have 5 witnesses to this, 5 men good and true, who know how to keep each of us down to earth and all of them are convinced, seeing is believing, in the flesh is well so good. I recall saying that I only expected to see 210BHP not bad I believed, how wrong I was.
I am sure that someone will always put her down, but what the hell, she is my beast, my Silver Chimaera 400HC, here for all to see, tracked, driven hard, worked hard, kept in condition better than most with less miles and yes she may need a nose job for the stone chips, but hell she wears her SO2's with pride and if you wave, she will roar back. Catch her at Kirkistown on the 2nd May.
IF YOU CAN or Dare!!!!!!!!!
Still smiling,
Colin L
Those figures are nothing like the figures we usually see posted from Austec, Power Engineering etc.
What I would expect to see is more like 400 HC Chim 210 flywheel, Griff 500 280 flywheel, Tuscan 350 flywheel. Or thereabouts.
Unless those cars are heavily modified, I can only assume the rolling road is using significantly smaller horses than most of the others we get reported here. Maybe this is where the factory do their tests?
What I would expect to see is more like 400 HC Chim 210 flywheel, Griff 500 280 flywheel, Tuscan 350 flywheel. Or thereabouts.
Unless those cars are heavily modified, I can only assume the rolling road is using significantly smaller horses than most of the others we get reported here. Maybe this is where the factory do their tests?
colin l said:
Well what a time was had and how did we do, well
Silver CHIMAERA 278 BHP at the Wheels top speed 159MPH
Red Griffith 500 268 BHP at the Wheels top speed 165MPH
Green Tuscan 352 BHP at the Wheels top speed 169MPH
What fun we had and oh it was so good and sweet to see the figures.
Colin L With Big
Then in the afternoon I drove to Malaysia and was only just beaten by Fernando Alonso, due to the wrong air in my tyres and then a blinding light and a shake.................wake up Colin here is your tea better get up or you will late for work and stop doing that to Teddy it's not nice!!!!!
>> Edited by BIG COL on Sunday 20th March 19:29
>> Edited by BIG COL on Sunday 20th March 19:56
Well I now have had 24hrs to recover from the day before. The rolling road experience was exciting,nervous and a little bit scary ( A tuscan at full pelt is a sight to behold)
The figures quoted for the griff were indeed 268 BHP and a top speed of 165MPH. Wheather this was at the flywheel or the wheels is not important to me.Checking Steve Heath bible tonight my 500 should produce between 260 to 280 BHP. At that reading the griff is right on the mark. My reason for doing the rolling road was to set the bench mark before I go down the road of improvement. I have the car booked into Power Engineering for a rolling road session along with Mark Adams Thursday week and with the items being fitted at david Connellys next week I am hoping for a 10% improvement. Mark has said that their is a good chance I may join the 300 club.
So thanks colin for orgainising the day. Sorry Raymond for jumping the cheque at Davids and you will see and hear the results at the next run on the 2nd of April
The figures quoted for the griff were indeed 268 BHP and a top speed of 165MPH. Wheather this was at the flywheel or the wheels is not important to me.Checking Steve Heath bible tonight my 500 should produce between 260 to 280 BHP. At that reading the griff is right on the mark. My reason for doing the rolling road was to set the bench mark before I go down the road of improvement. I have the car booked into Power Engineering for a rolling road session along with Mark Adams Thursday week and with the items being fitted at david Connellys next week I am hoping for a 10% improvement. Mark has said that their is a good chance I may join the 300 club.
So thanks colin for orgainising the day. Sorry Raymond for jumping the cheque at Davids and you will see and hear the results at the next run on the 2nd of April
By making it through... I know of a few cars that have blown their engines on that RR due the the operators lack of knowledge, and very poor cooling fan setup.
As for horror stories from customers cars....I could write a book, and there are other people who could do similar.
Id sooner reccomend a washing machine repair man to work on your car, than CT.
I have a few cars, Subaru Legacy turbo, Mini Turbo, although my main project/Granada is currently off-road undergoing major changes.
Its a very slow expensive process.
Im aiming for around 800bhp in the long term, although, once up and running, I'll probably settle for around 5-600bhp for a while.
New Supercharged LS1 engine is replacing my old Twin turbo 4.6 rover engine.
A few pics of how its coming along can be seen here.
<a href="http://gallery112848.fotopic.net/c332887.html">http://gallery112848.fotopic.net/c332887.html</a>
I think that anyone getting a RR baseline at Cartoyz, then travelling to somewhere like Power Engineering for another run, after some modifications runs a very high risk of being very dissappointed by the numbers they get in return.
I would expect PE's rollers to be give more realistic readings.
If you want a sensible measure of before and after, you would need to do before and after runs pretty close together, in similar weather conditions, and most importantly, on the same rolling road.
Otherwise it can be rather meaningless, and in some cases dangerous. Running a car, loaded up on the rollers, somewhere with no diagnostic or AFR monitoring equipment and have inadequate cooling fans is a very risky thing to do..
I guess some people/RR operators just dont know any different.
>> Edited by stevieturbo on Wednesday 23 March 01:04
>> Edited by stevieturbo on Wednesday 23 March 01:06
As for horror stories from customers cars....I could write a book, and there are other people who could do similar.
Id sooner reccomend a washing machine repair man to work on your car, than CT.
I have a few cars, Subaru Legacy turbo, Mini Turbo, although my main project/Granada is currently off-road undergoing major changes.
Its a very slow expensive process.
Im aiming for around 800bhp in the long term, although, once up and running, I'll probably settle for around 5-600bhp for a while.
New Supercharged LS1 engine is replacing my old Twin turbo 4.6 rover engine.
A few pics of how its coming along can be seen here.
<a href="http://gallery112848.fotopic.net/c332887.html">http://gallery112848.fotopic.net/c332887.html</a>
I think that anyone getting a RR baseline at Cartoyz, then travelling to somewhere like Power Engineering for another run, after some modifications runs a very high risk of being very dissappointed by the numbers they get in return.
I would expect PE's rollers to be give more realistic readings.
If you want a sensible measure of before and after, you would need to do before and after runs pretty close together, in similar weather conditions, and most importantly, on the same rolling road.
Otherwise it can be rather meaningless, and in some cases dangerous. Running a car, loaded up on the rollers, somewhere with no diagnostic or AFR monitoring equipment and have inadequate cooling fans is a very risky thing to do..
I guess some people/RR operators just dont know any different.
>> Edited by stevieturbo on Wednesday 23 March 01:04
>> Edited by stevieturbo on Wednesday 23 March 01:06
Yes Stevie and that Bugatti thing you have in the garage with 1001BHP how is that going these days!!!!!!!!
We did not go on spare of the moment thing and I have checked out and not found any of these horror stories which you are familar with. While your enlightenment is on this is interesting have you yourself been to this RR and had a session or personal experience. If not then how can anyone trust 2nd or 3rd stories.
Still smiling
Colin L
We did not go on spare of the moment thing and I have checked out and not found any of these horror stories which you are familar with. While your enlightenment is on this is interesting have you yourself been to this RR and had a session or personal experience. If not then how can anyone trust 2nd or 3rd stories.
Still smiling
Colin L
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