Torque or Rev's

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crankedup

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25,764 posts

249 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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Because I currently drive vintage stuff do'esnt mean I don't love modern machinery, but I am always torn between an meaty V8 or an screaming high reving banshee. So whats your preference and why?

Got to have something to discuss over the holidays other than what colour socks you recieved for Chroistmas beer

MG Mark

611 posts

224 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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Acceleration is a function of weight and torque, top speed is a function of power. As in all things, a balance is appropriate, preferably, with bucket loads of both....

The grunt of a V8 is a gorgeous sound to get the blood running, just as is the crackle of a well-tuned cross-flow four pot. Add in the smooth straight six and can I have all three please? Failing that, a V12 or flat-12 will do nicely....

MG Mark

Simpo Two

86,837 posts

271 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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Meaty V8.

(Or possibly a supercharged straight 6)

Festive Ferg

15,242 posts

263 months

Thursday 25th December 2008
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Simpo Two said:
Meaty V8.

(Or possibly a supercharged straight 6)
Revs for me, as Mark says Torque is important with weight, so I do without either! smile
Merry Christmas!

Zippee

13,560 posts

240 months

Thursday 25th December 2008
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Mixture of the 2 for me. Had a 400 Chimaera for 4 years so fantastic torque, especially low down but not particularly free reving and quick but not really quick. Now own a 3.6 T350, the S6 engine spins up to 7.5k and it goes like poo off a shovel when you get into the right rev band. But I do often miss the low down, any gear, torque of the Rover V8.

Dirty Boy

14,738 posts

215 months

Saturday 27th December 2008
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I've always liked the thought of both.

If you've never experienced a TVR Cerbera, I suggest you do, they tick all the boxes.

smile

Simpo Two

86,837 posts

271 months

Saturday 27th December 2008
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Dirty Boy said:
If you've never experienced a TVR Cerbera, I suggest you do, they tick all the boxes.
smile
Apart from the box marked 'Does the roof come off?' wink

valve bounce66

2,723 posts

220 months

Saturday 27th December 2008
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revs for a day out on your favourite road,and torque for travelling to work and back to nip into traffic.

Festive Ferg

15,242 posts

263 months

Saturday 27th December 2008
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Simpo Two said:
Dirty Boy said:
If you've never experienced a TVR Cerbera, I suggest you do, they tick all the boxes.
smile
Apart from the box marked 'Does the roof come off leak?' wink
EFA

andygtt

8,345 posts

270 months

Saturday 27th December 2008
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Revs... because (and this is the short answer lol) IMO the power generated by revs is easier to put down than power generated by torque... so makes the car more usable when extracting more than 90% of the cars performance.

I think 80-90% torque to bhp is a good medium if you have over 300bhp.

supermono

7,374 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th December 2008
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andygtt said:
Revs... because (and this is the short answer lol) IMO the power generated by revs is easier to put down than power generated by torque... so makes the car more usable when extracting more than 90% of the cars performance.

I think 80-90% torque to bhp is a good medium if you have over 300bhp.
I was about to write torque, but having read what you said and having just driven something with which goes from about 200->450lbft in 250rpm on cold slimy roads, I find myself agreeing with you! Saying that I think I have the 80-90 percent you're talking (450/463)

However, I raced a single cylinder bike and the massive torque on that almost walked the tyre about in steps between power strokes making it really easy to find mid corner grip. 600/1000cc four cylinders seemed to spin up like lathes making it really hard to keep it from spinning up fast when searching for grip.

So I'm going for .... erm, torque smile

SM

MG Mark

611 posts

224 months

Sunday 28th December 2008
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There's the old drag racer's adage of "there ain't no substitute for cubic inches", to which you could add "except for race power".

But perhaps the best summary is a quote from Mark Donohue (famous American racer of the 60s/70s for all you young things) which went - "When you can lay two black stripes between the exit of one corner and the entrance of the next, then you have enough power"

MG Mark

turbomart

52 posts

261 months

Sunday 28th December 2008
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Definitely both for me and then add 4WD to the equation and its unbeatable thumbup

gtr-gaz

5,164 posts

252 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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MG Mark said:
There's the old drag racer's adage of "there ain't no substitute for cubic inches", to which you could add "except for race power".

But perhaps the best summary is a quote from Mark Donohue (famous American racer of the 60s/70s for all you young things) which went - "When you can lay two black stripes between the exit of one corner and the entrance of the next, then you have enough power"

MG Mark
I've also heard it said, "horse power sells cars, torque wins races"

vrod

961 posts

196 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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andygtt said:
Revs... because (and this is the short answer lol) IMO the power generated by revs is easier to put down than power generated by torque... so makes the car more usable when extracting more than 90% of the cars performance.

I think 80-90% torque to bhp is a good medium if you have over 300bhp.
I also agree, the power only builds up as the revs climb so you can dump the power earlier. I have to say that as what my RX8 lacks in torque it makes up for in revs.

Shortie123

125 posts

189 months

Monday 5th January 2009
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IMO i'd rather go for the torque of a VEE engine. Afterall, unless you spend all of your time on a track on the limiter, what gets more attention, a good old vee engine idling through town sounding like its on the prowl or a modern jap 4 pot sounding like your mum drying her hair??? Lol

I'm afraid to say, in these modern days when speeding more than 4mph over the limit means trouble, i'd much rather have something that rumbles than wheezes when below the speed limit.

stew-S160

8,006 posts

244 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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Revs win every time for me.