scrappage scheme is it a con
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Having worked in the motor trade for 13 years i have seen shall we say different ways to get people to buy new cars the thing is the motors i've seen are perfectly fine ok some are a bit tatty but don't warrant being scrapped so that car makers can say look at our sales figures they are on the up. Case in point last week saw 10 cars going on transporter from frf toyota all were going to be scrapped at least half of them were tidy cars just an example 2000 hyundai coupe 1999 nissan almera so they not the best cars but come on is it a case people are to lazy to sell they're cars nowadays. The dealers mark up the prices of new cars to start with anyway most people could get a good chunk of money of a new car if they put they're minds to it it's a farce
Many people are mugs when it comes to buying cars and genuinely believe that the list price is the list price, especially on cars they build to order. Can't blame salesmen for not telling them. After all, a man walks in thinking he can't afford a car without the scrappage and finds that he can. That said, my experience last week is that they will do all they can to land a deal.
I have a £400 Mondeo which is perfectly servicable but which will need new rear brakes for the MOT and the HRW and intermittent wipe don't work 9though could possibly be fixed cheaply). Neverthelesss, it's hard to justify keeping it when someone will give you £2k for it.
Now I wouldn't sacrifice the car if I could get a deal without it but the deal I got was a new Mondeo 2.0 (in stock pre price-increase)for £14k less a good part-ex allowance less the scrappage of £2k so all I had to find to change my car was £6500. Given that I can replace the Mondeo for £500 with another banger, what's to think about?
I should add that several dealers offered me part-ex AND scrappage although ultimately the way they worked the deal was to buy the part-ex and apply the scrappage to the discounted price of the new car (not list price as was originally speculated).
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of cons out there, mainly on low end cheap cars which can be bought discounted anyway and dealers seem to have far more financial incentives in the bigger models which can work out just as cheap - and when did you last see a Mk 4 Mondeo? I see about 1 a day if I'm lucky.
On the scrapper point, it's a lot of faffing round selling your car privately then being left without a car to go round the dealers to find a new one which may or may not be immediately available (4-8 weeks on an Insignia for example). Secondly, many cars look OK but have hidden faults or may have a number of advisories from the last MOT so the decision to let them go will usually be a considered one. They may also have attempted to sell them and been unsuccessful.
I have a £400 Mondeo which is perfectly servicable but which will need new rear brakes for the MOT and the HRW and intermittent wipe don't work 9though could possibly be fixed cheaply). Neverthelesss, it's hard to justify keeping it when someone will give you £2k for it.
Now I wouldn't sacrifice the car if I could get a deal without it but the deal I got was a new Mondeo 2.0 (in stock pre price-increase)for £14k less a good part-ex allowance less the scrappage of £2k so all I had to find to change my car was £6500. Given that I can replace the Mondeo for £500 with another banger, what's to think about?
I should add that several dealers offered me part-ex AND scrappage although ultimately the way they worked the deal was to buy the part-ex and apply the scrappage to the discounted price of the new car (not list price as was originally speculated).
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of cons out there, mainly on low end cheap cars which can be bought discounted anyway and dealers seem to have far more financial incentives in the bigger models which can work out just as cheap - and when did you last see a Mk 4 Mondeo? I see about 1 a day if I'm lucky.
On the scrapper point, it's a lot of faffing round selling your car privately then being left without a car to go round the dealers to find a new one which may or may not be immediately available (4-8 weeks on an Insignia for example). Secondly, many cars look OK but have hidden faults or may have a number of advisories from the last MOT so the decision to let them go will usually be a considered one. They may also have attempted to sell them and been unsuccessful.
LuS1fer said:
the deal I got was a new Mondeo 2.0 (in stock pre price-increase)for £14k less a good part-ex allowance less the scrappage of £2k so all I had to find to change my car was £6500.
Have I understood that correctly - you gave a £400 Mondeo and £6500 and got a brand-new Mondeo in exchange?Deva Link said:
LuS1fer said:
the deal I got was a new Mondeo 2.0 (in stock pre price-increase)for £14k less a good part-ex allowance less the scrappage of £2k so all I had to find to change my car was £6500.
Have I understood that correctly - you gave a £400 Mondeo and £6500 and got a brand-new Mondeo in exchange?
Plus the px allowance of £5*** (can't recall the exact price) on my Mazda 5 (which, incidentally, has so many scratches and scrapes that a private sale wasn't really feasible and they seem to sell privately at that level anyway). It is the lowest spec Edge but equally it is the 2.0 (albeit with steel wheels).LuS1fer said:
Deva Link said:
LuS1fer said:
the deal I got was a new Mondeo 2.0 (in stock pre price-increase)for £14k less a good part-ex allowance less the scrappage of £2k so all I had to find to change my car was £6500.
Have I understood that correctly - you gave a £400 Mondeo and £6500 and got a brand-new Mondeo in exchange? Plus the px allowance of £5*** (can't recall the exact price) on my Mazda 5 (which, incidentally, has so many scratches and scrapes that a private sale wasn't really feasible and they seem to sell privately at that level anyway). It is the lowest spec Edge but equally it is the 2.0 (albeit with steel wheels).Deva Link said:
LuS1fer said:
Deva Link said:
LuS1fer said:
the deal I got was a new Mondeo 2.0 (in stock pre price-increase)for £14k less a good part-ex allowance less the scrappage of £2k so all I had to find to change my car was £6500.
Have I understood that correctly - you gave a £400 Mondeo and £6500 and got a brand-new Mondeo in exchange? Plus the px allowance of £5*** (can't recall the exact price) on my Mazda 5 (which, incidentally, has so many scratches and scrapes that a private sale wasn't really feasible and they seem to sell privately at that level anyway). It is the lowest spec Edge but equally it is the 2.0 (albeit with steel wheels).I agree that if you have a car not worth much it's worth chopping it in for a new one (if you can afford one)
I can see one good thing coming out of this situation though if all these cars are being scrapped there will be a shortage of cheaper "runabout" cars meaning car sales like the one i work at will profit because we always have a good selection of cheaper cars (there are always people looking for cheap cars)
I can see one good thing coming out of this situation though if all these cars are being scrapped there will be a shortage of cheaper "runabout" cars meaning car sales like the one i work at will profit because we always have a good selection of cheaper cars (there are always people looking for cheap cars)
Not sure if any of you guys have noticed recently, but I certainly have. A few months back before the government introduced the scrappage scheme, Trade Centre Wales had average cars for fairly decent prices.. I (with my own eyes) saw a 1.6 Focus for sale for £3450 - this was before the scrappage scheme.
I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
This means that when the person trades in their 2k car, not only will TCW be getting a £2000 car, but an extra £1500 from the car they sold!
Cheeky ####s!
I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
This means that when the person trades in their 2k car, not only will TCW be getting a £2000 car, but an extra £1500 from the car they sold!
Cheeky ####s!
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]Not sure if any of you guys have noticed recently, but I certainly have. A few months back before the government introduced the scrappage scheme, Trade Centre Wales had average cars for fairly decent prices.. I (with my own eyes) saw a 1.6 Focus for sale for £3450 - this was before the scrappage scheme.
I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
This means that when the person trades in their 2k car, not only will TCW be getting a £2000 car, but an extra £1500 from the car they sold!
Cheeky ####s!
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Scrappage scheme only applies to new cars
]Not sure if any of you guys have noticed recently, but I certainly have. A few months back before the government introduced the scrappage scheme, Trade Centre Wales had average cars for fairly decent prices.. I (with my own eyes) saw a 1.6 Focus for sale for £3450 - this was before the scrappage scheme. I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
This means that when the person trades in their 2k car, not only will TCW be getting a £2000 car, but an extra £1500 from the car they sold!
Cheeky ####s!
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Scrappage scheme only applies to new cars
Stu R said:
[quote=robc]Not sure if any of you guys have noticed recently, but I certainly have. A few months back before the government introduced the scrappage scheme, Trade Centre Wales had average cars for fairly decent prices.. I (with my own eyes) saw a 1.6 Focus for sale for £3450 - this was before the scrappage scheme.
I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
This means that when the person trades in their 2k car, not only will TCW be getting a £2000 car, but an extra £1500 from the car they sold!
Cheeky ####s!
Scrappage scheme only applies to new cars]Not sure if any of you guys have noticed recently, but I certainly have. A few months back before the government introduced the scrappage scheme, Trade Centre Wales had average cars for fairly decent prices.. I (with my own eyes) saw a 1.6 Focus for sale for £3450 - this was before the scrappage scheme. I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
This means that when the person trades in their 2k car, not only will TCW be getting a £2000 car, but an extra £1500 from the car they sold!
Cheeky ####s!
It is a bit of a can of worms this one!In terms of value for money ,the scrappage scheme is not a con ,many people are getting into a new car when they would not have considered one previously - mainly on smaller cars such as Hyundai i10's etc .It is also a good way of getting 2k off a car that was not previously discounted much .However ,for much run of the mill stuff 2k is a feasable discount level in any case for those bothering to try.
As far as the Green aspects of it go ,what it is not achieving is getting rid of the most polluting ,badly maintained cars that are on the roads - cars owned by people that just cant afford a new car anyway,no matter what the discount is!Scrappage cars are mainly well maintained vehicles ,as they are owned by people that can afford to do so ,hence the ability to change into a newer car.
The environmental cost of getting a new car onto Joe Publics driveway ,allied with the monetary cost of the scrappage scheme ,must be far higher than running these largely well maintained cars for a good few years more - most of them not doing huge mileages anyway!
As far as the Green aspects of it go ,what it is not achieving is getting rid of the most polluting ,badly maintained cars that are on the roads - cars owned by people that just cant afford a new car anyway,no matter what the discount is!Scrappage cars are mainly well maintained vehicles ,as they are owned by people that can afford to do so ,hence the ability to change into a newer car.
The environmental cost of getting a new car onto Joe Publics driveway ,allied with the monetary cost of the scrappage scheme ,must be far higher than running these largely well maintained cars for a good few years more - most of them not doing huge mileages anyway!
[quote=robc]Not sure if any of you guys have noticed recently, but I certainly have. A few months back before the government introduced the scrappage scheme, Trade Centre Wales had average cars for fairly decent prices.. I (with my own eyes) saw a 1.6 Focus for sale for £3450 - this was before the scrappage scheme.
I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
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Used car prices have gone up anyway in the last few months. It's a supply and demand thing - fewer people are buying new cars so there are fewer used cars trickling down through the system.
]Not sure if any of you guys have noticed recently, but I certainly have. A few months back before the government introduced the scrappage scheme, Trade Centre Wales had average cars for fairly decent prices.. I (with my own eyes) saw a 1.6 Focus for sale for £3450 - this was before the scrappage scheme. I went back after the scheme had been introduced and the same car, shock horror! had it's price increased by £1500.
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Used car prices have gone up anyway in the last few months. It's a supply and demand thing - fewer people are buying new cars so there are fewer used cars trickling down through the system.
Couldn't believe what I saw today a Walon transporter from F.R.F Toyota with a BMW 635CSi in black on going to the scrapyard in the sky now the car looked what I would call v.good nice BBS wheels leather int etc why would someone scrap a car like this is beyond me
also last week an Jaguar XJR older shape not V8 but still looked very tidy was sent again to be scrapped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
also last week an Jaguar XJR older shape not V8 but still looked very tidy was sent again to be scrapped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thought I'd bring back this topic, the amount of tidy cars that I've seen lately going to scrapyard in the sky is quite frankly ridiculous its ok for new car dealers they don't care all they want is a commission or finance bonus.
As an example why would you trade in (for scrappage) your typical family saloon for a s
tbox Prius???????????
and they have the cheek to charge (for a base spec one)£18k or £16k with scrappage see below
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_... only used the prius because I hate them much rather drive an 04 reg mondeo or vectra diesel
As an example why would you trade in (for scrappage) your typical family saloon for a s
tbox Prius???????????and they have the cheek to charge (for a base spec one)£18k or £16k with scrappage see below
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_... only used the prius because I hate them much rather drive an 04 reg mondeo or vectra diesel
I go down my local scrappy quite often and have seen a couple of MGB GTs (Chrome bumper) ,a Midget ,Spitfire ,very nice B reg Rangey ,lovely Chevette saloon ,T plate mk1 Fiesta, R plate 740i BMW ,R plate Polo with 26k,T plate Corsa with 36k and a R plate Fiesta Zetec with 16k on it.All now crushed.
All the older stuff was still worth owning - none of it was anything like needing to be scrapped. As for the newer cars - madness.
Utter madness.
All the older stuff was still worth owning - none of it was anything like needing to be scrapped. As for the newer cars - madness.
Utter madness.
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