M4 Deforestation
Discussion
In readiness for the widening to 3 lanes starting VERY soon.
http://new.wales.gov.uk/topics/transp
http://new.wales.gov.uk/topics/transp
Edited by J500ANT on Friday 16th February 16:38
My company is involved in the project which is already running late and over-budget. I reckon the widening of the M4 will make the Wembley Stadium project look like a good deal 
Just look at the number of bridges that need to removed / widened / adjusted and you get the idea !! 2.5 years - 3 years at earliest !! Plans are still not finalised on central section either as Highways are "undecided about dualling or verge separation" My poor clients are delayed compensation for land-grab in St Mellons & Thornhill and don't even ask about where the soil is going from the embankments !! 
Just look at the number of bridges that need to removed / widened / adjusted and you get the idea !! 2.5 years - 3 years at earliest !! Plans are still not finalised on central section either as Highways are "undecided about dualling or verge separation" My poor clients are delayed compensation for land-grab in St Mellons & Thornhill and don't even ask about where the soil is going from the embankments !! Edited by Maser-artist on Friday 16th February 17:10
Edited by Maser-artist on Friday 16th February 17:13
Maser-artist said:
My company is involved in the project which is already running late and over-budget. I reckon the widening of the M4 will make the Wembley Stadium project look like a good deal Just look at the number of bridges that need to removed / widened / adjusted and you get the idea !! 2.5 years - 3 years at earliest !! Plans are still not finalised on central section either as Highways are "undecided about dualling or verge separation" My poor clients are delayed compensation for land-grab in St Mellons & Thornhill and don't even ask about where the soil is going from the embankments !!
Just look at the number of bridges that need to removed / widened / adjusted and you get the idea !! 2.5 years - 3 years at earliest !! Plans are still not finalised on central section either as Highways are "undecided about dualling or verge separation" My poor clients are delayed compensation for land-grab in St Mellons & Thornhill and don't even ask about where the soil is going from the embankments !! I hate this stretch of road too. As another regular user, its something long overdue. I can't believe the time it will take though. Is that down to the bridges? But i love how the website above states "the bridges will remain, only requiring minor modification".... that's not the impression quoted above....
Is it true the only recently built Audi garage has to be moved because of the widening?
Also, how come there's no Junction 31? Will that ever be built? Was it true that it was originally planned for the thornill area? I know the Cardiff Gate Junction is still relatively new really, so maybe that has something to do with it too.
Gaz
Edited by Allblackdup on Friday 9th March 10:23
Edited by Allblackdup on Friday 9th March 10:24
Late and over budget? Don't know where you get that from!
The scheme is at agreed target cost, and is on programme and in accordance with the methodology proposed during the public consultation period.
Any scheme such as this will result in compensation discussions, as the landowner will always want lots, and the "developer" (who in this case is spending public money), will want to get best value.
The scheme is at agreed target cost, and is on programme and in accordance with the methodology proposed during the public consultation period.
Any scheme such as this will result in compensation discussions, as the landowner will always want lots, and the "developer" (who in this case is spending public money), will want to get best value.
In my own opinion an extra lane being built is well overdue moreover, will be out of date before completion. We have seen the increase in traffic over the last ten years so, another ten years will only bring the problem back to the M4.
If the completion takes as long and creates as much traffic chaos as, the dual carraging of the A465 (Abergaveny to Hirwaun then, goodness help us. They have been working on a 4 mile stretch between Abergaveny to Gilwern for over a year with no sign of a result. What happens when they get to the black rock.
If the completion takes as long and creates as much traffic chaos as, the dual carraging of the A465 (Abergaveny to Hirwaun then, goodness help us. They have been working on a 4 mile stretch between Abergaveny to Gilwern for over a year with no sign of a result. What happens when they get to the black rock.
david godfrey said:
whist theres a good thread they should also sort that a4232 which is also pants!
The amount of standing water that builds up there during the rain is pretty scary sometimes. Couple that with the nasty crosswinds in parts and you certainly have an 'exciting' trip in a small, light car
Symbolica said:
david godfrey said:
whist theres a good thread they should also sort that a4232 which is also pants!
The amount of standing water that builds up there during the rain is pretty scary sometimes. Couple that with the nasty crosswinds in parts and you certainly have an 'exciting' trip in a small, light car
I Hate the surface on that road with a passion! Its almost like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! What a load of b******s!
Maser-artist said:
My company is involved in the project which is already running late and over-budget. I reckon the widening of the M4 will make the Wembley Stadium project look like a good deal Just look at the number of bridges that need to removed / widened / adjusted and you get the idea !! 2.5 years - 3 years at earliest !! Plans are still not finalised on central section either as Highways are "undecided about dualling or verge separation" My poor clients are delayed compensation for land-grab in St Mellons & Thornhill and don't even ask about where the soil is going from the embankments !!
Just look at the number of bridges that need to removed / widened / adjusted and you get the idea !! 2.5 years - 3 years at earliest !! Plans are still not finalised on central section either as Highways are "undecided about dualling or verge separation" My poor clients are delayed compensation for land-grab in St Mellons & Thornhill and don't even ask about where the soil is going from the embankments !! Edited by Maser-artist on Friday 16th February 17:10
Edited by Maser-artist on Friday 16th February 17:13
Ok then...Where is the soil going?
When you widen embankments, you need to bring in suitable materials to do so. Thus, there is no surplus from this process.
All modern highways scheme attempt to get "earth balance", as the costs of import or disposal are huge. Thus, the widening of cuttings produces soil, which if up to highways specn. are then used to widen the embankments.
Widening of embankments and cuttings, can result in adjacent landtake. Again, designers try to minimise landtake (cos it's expensive and can severely affect programme due to protracted negotiating with land agents) by designing the problem out. In this case, the cuttings are being steepened in many areas to significantly reduce land take.
All modern highways scheme attempt to get "earth balance", as the costs of import or disposal are huge. Thus, the widening of cuttings produces soil, which if up to highways specn. are then used to widen the embankments.
Widening of embankments and cuttings, can result in adjacent landtake. Again, designers try to minimise landtake (cos it's expensive and can severely affect programme due to protracted negotiating with land agents) by designing the problem out. In this case, the cuttings are being steepened in many areas to significantly reduce land take.
But why why is it taking me at least 20mins more every day just because some blokes are cutting down trees!!!
It's not as if the carriageway has actually been restricted at all yet!
Stop looking at the side of the road, look forward and stick your rubber neck XXX (This is what I would like to see on the Matrix signs!!
lol
I dread to think what it will be like when they start digging!! I used to live London way when they did the 2.5 year widening round by Heathrow, now I have moved here and argh another 2.5 years of roadwork hell
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Agree though will be great when it's done
It's not as if the carriageway has actually been restricted at all yet! Stop looking at the side of the road, look forward and stick your rubber neck XXX (This is what I would like to see on the Matrix signs!!
lol I dread to think what it will be like when they start digging!! I used to live London way when they did the 2.5 year widening round by Heathrow, now I have moved here and argh another 2.5 years of roadwork hell
. Agree though will be great when it's done
BCER said:
I dread to think what it will be like when they start digging!! I used to live London way when they did the 2.5 year widening round by Heathrow, now I have moved here and argh another 2.5 years of roadwork hell
Oh believe me it could be worse. I've regularly travelled up the A449 between Newport and Monmouth with my dad (visiting relatives in North Wales) for about 15 years now. I swear to god I've NEVER seen it without roadworks on some part of it, WTF are they doing?!?
Symbolica said:
Oh believe me it could be worse. I've regularly travelled up the A449 between Newport and Monmouth with my dad (visiting relatives in North Wales) for about 15 years now. I swear to god I've NEVER seen it without roadworks on some part of it, WTF are they doing?!?
I don't know if its a myth or not, but I got told that it is a "test road" It gets resurfaced often with new stuff they are testing.
si_j said:
I don't know if its a myth or not, but I got told that it is a "test road" It gets resurfaced often with new stuff they are testing.
I looked into that and apparently you're right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A449_roa
Well you live and learn
Symbolica said:
si_j said:
I don't know if its a myth or not, but I got told that it is a "test road" It gets resurfaced often with new stuff they are testing.
I looked into that and apparently you're right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A449_roa
Well you live and learn
it all makes makes sense now
Maser-artist said:
Just look at the number of bridges that need to removed / widened / adjusted and you get the idea !!
The bridge situation shouldn't be too major imo. Although minor adjustments need to be made, technically the road is 3 lanes wide under them (2 lanes and a hard shoulder). The hard shoulder along the affected stretch should effectively become the new lane and an aditional hardshoulder would be added on. At points where there is a bridge, there just wont be a hard shoulder in the area under the bridge.
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