How do we make the trams project a farse?
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There's no way it will be a disaster.
Ok, there may be a few teething problems when they start operating but if customer numbers are not what was expected pressure will be put on the council to make it more difficult to park in the city centre.
Edinburgh is already a nightmare to drive in anyway, I can only see the tram project bringing in more customers for the city centre shops.
Ok, there may be a few teething problems when they start operating but if customer numbers are not what was expected pressure will be put on the council to make it more difficult to park in the city centre.
Edinburgh is already a nightmare to drive in anyway, I can only see the tram project bringing in more customers for the city centre shops.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Not being an Edinburger, or whatever they are called, and always having problems parking in Edinburgh I think the trams are a good idea, I have enjoyed using them in other cities and don't see why they cannot be a success there.
Neither am I, but I never have trouble parking. I guess I just know where to park.As it has already been said, Edniburgh has a great bus service, the trams aren't going to help congestion.
Well I live in Edinburgh and my business is directly effected by the works but I still think it is a good idea. In the short term there will continue to be plenty of upheaval and the way the council is insulting the traders on Leith Walk is out of order but long term the problem in Edinburgh needed to be attacked. Even now when there are a few pockets of road works the streets come to a standstill and that impacts all over the city centre.
The park and ride schemes are helping but the trams will help again and make Edinburgh a city worth visiting in years to come.
Just my 2p's worth
The park and ride schemes are helping but the trams will help again and make Edinburgh a city worth visiting in years to come.
Just my 2p's worth
When finance was sought for the trams the cost estimate was £800MM. When the bank being asked for the finance they sought an independant study of other European cities, they came back with a likely total reqd of £1.3 billion. The consortium seeking finance hadn't even looked at the other cities tram development cost, or the fact that most other cities tram systems have never, and will never pay for themselves. It's gonna be worse than the Parliament, a complete waste of cash and Princes St will be shut for 10 months!
The trams stop at the Gyle terminus as permission hasn't been gained to acess the land between there and the airport - owned by 4 seperate people who definitely won't hold the line to ransom. There is also no contract with BAA so they cannot enter the airport boundary either!
I hate Edinburgh City Council for what they do to a fine city.
Oh, and they dug up all these roads to move the 'services', then re-laid the tarmac which will have to be lifted AGAIN to lay the f
kin tracks. Aargh!
Oh, and the tracks down Leith walk will be single tracks with 'passing places' which is great as long as one doesn't break down on the single track jamming the whole fvcking works.... Double-Aargh!
The trams stop at the Gyle terminus as permission hasn't been gained to acess the land between there and the airport - owned by 4 seperate people who definitely won't hold the line to ransom. There is also no contract with BAA so they cannot enter the airport boundary either!
I hate Edinburgh City Council for what they do to a fine city.
Oh, and they dug up all these roads to move the 'services', then re-laid the tarmac which will have to be lifted AGAIN to lay the f
kin tracks. Aargh!Oh, and the tracks down Leith walk will be single tracks with 'passing places' which is great as long as one doesn't break down on the single track jamming the whole fvcking works.... Double-Aargh!
jshell said:
Oh, and they dug up all these roads to move the 'services', then re-laid the tarmac which will have to be lifted AGAIN to lay the fkin tracks. Aargh!
Oh, and the tracks down Leith walk will be single tracks with 'passing places' which is great as long as one doesn't break down on the single track jamming the whole fvcking works.... Double-Aargh!
You noticed the paint markings on the left side pavement (as you walk down) after Pilrig? They're shifting the kerb/narrowing the pavement by at least 6 feet.kin tracks. Aargh!Oh, and the tracks down Leith walk will be single tracks with 'passing places' which is great as long as one doesn't break down on the single track jamming the whole fvcking works.... Double-Aargh!
Famous Graham said:
jshell said:
Oh, and they dug up all these roads to move the 'services', then re-laid the tarmac which will have to be lifted AGAIN to lay the fkin tracks. Aargh!
Oh, and the tracks down Leith walk will be single tracks with 'passing places' which is great as long as one doesn't break down on the single track jamming the whole fvcking works.... Double-Aargh!
You noticed the paint markings on the left side pavement (as you walk down) after Pilrig? They're shifting the kerb/narrowing the pavement by at least 6 feet.kin tracks. Aargh!Oh, and the tracks down Leith walk will be single tracks with 'passing places' which is great as long as one doesn't break down on the single track jamming the whole fvcking works.... Double-Aargh!
jshell said:
Los Angeles said:
How long before the first passenger rushes for a waiting tram, runs upstairs and splits open his head ... before remembering its a tram not a double-decker bus?
How many pints? 
500 mil and you dont mind if it fails, that was worth the money. Then again if you were into trams you wouldnt be on p'heads.
If you looked at the polution caused by cars to the architecture of one of scotlands finest cities then it may be a different story. Preservation of the city could be ruled into the equation.
Trams are used and do work, just a shame they had to cause so much upheaval in the process.
If you looked at the polution caused by cars to the architecture of one of scotlands finest cities then it may be a different story. Preservation of the city could be ruled into the equation.
Trams are used and do work, just a shame they had to cause so much upheaval in the process.
How much did it cost them to get rid of the trams in Glasgow and Edinburgh years ago?
now 512 million to bring Edinburgh's back
brilliant
what are the chances of getting some of the old ones running on the new network?
here in Düsseldorf you can hire a 'party tram' - an old vintage tram takes you for a drive around with a couple of kegs of beer on board
now 512 million to bring Edinburgh's back
brilliant
what are the chances of getting some of the old ones running on the new network?
here in Düsseldorf you can hire a 'party tram' - an old vintage tram takes you for a drive around with a couple of kegs of beer on board
Famous Graham said:
jshell said:
Los Angeles said:
How long before the first passenger rushes for a waiting tram, runs upstairs and splits open his head ... before remembering its a tram not a double-decker bus?
How many pints? 
sam919 said:
500 mil and you dont mind if it fails, that was worth the money. Then again if you were into trams you wouldnt be on p'heads.
If you looked at the polution caused by cars to the architecture of one of scotlands finest cities then it may be a different story. Preservation of the city could be ruled into the equation.
Trams are used and do work, just a shame they had to cause so much upheaval in the process.
It's gonna cost £1,300,000,000, you can get a lot of preservation for that! And they're losing cash in every other European city too....If you looked at the polution caused by cars to the architecture of one of scotlands finest cities then it may be a different story. Preservation of the city could be ruled into the equation.
Trams are used and do work, just a shame they had to cause so much upheaval in the process.
http://www.thetrams.co.uk/tramsinuk.php
I have used the DLR, Croydon and Sheffield services and can truly say they offer a far better mode of transport than cars, buses etc. The DLR cuts out a whole world of morning traffic, same with croydon.
The last two might be closest, but not exact! to the volume of passengers that Edinburgh would be subject to, and with a high amount of tourists to the city it would provide a good source of transport. I would rather see one tram line than three lanes thick of traffic aroud the city.
And for many of Edinburghs residence it would offer a cheaper form of transport, than a car with its inevitable parking charges, into and around the city.
The media cant be relyed on for facts and figures, more example should be taken from excisting succesfull routes, its all to easy to be negtive than proactive in these things.
Edinburgh doesnt have a public transport system for the predicted growth in the city in the future anwyay, so anything implemented is going to cause distruption its part of living in a built up environment.
I have used the DLR, Croydon and Sheffield services and can truly say they offer a far better mode of transport than cars, buses etc. The DLR cuts out a whole world of morning traffic, same with croydon.
The last two might be closest, but not exact! to the volume of passengers that Edinburgh would be subject to, and with a high amount of tourists to the city it would provide a good source of transport. I would rather see one tram line than three lanes thick of traffic aroud the city.
And for many of Edinburghs residence it would offer a cheaper form of transport, than a car with its inevitable parking charges, into and around the city.
The media cant be relyed on for facts and figures, more example should be taken from excisting succesfull routes, its all to easy to be negtive than proactive in these things.
Edinburgh doesnt have a public transport system for the predicted growth in the city in the future anwyay, so anything implemented is going to cause distruption its part of living in a built up environment.
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