'Saftey' Camera Vans on M74
Discussion
Has anyone noticed we now have two camera vans working simultaniously on the M74 nowadays!! About 10 miles apart on what comapared to the M6 and M1 must be the busiest road in the country! ( not)
Can anyone justifiably explain why we are so massivley over policed with camera vans and radar guns up here?
Does anyuone want to join with me in getting as many people to write to their MP and MSP and raise this as a public concern? If we only bang on about it on here then only the police will read this and nothing will happen as everyone knows that in the locations picked they are only to do with revenue raising and nothing else in particularroad saftey!!
Am happy to draft so style letters and hopefully someone somewhere will put an end to this cynical abuse of motorists!
One question to pose! How may people have been prosecuted for careless driving eg driving unecessarily in the outside or middle lane below the speed limit blocking other traffic usuing these cameras??
Can anyone justifiably explain why we are so massivley over policed with camera vans and radar guns up here?
Does anyuone want to join with me in getting as many people to write to their MP and MSP and raise this as a public concern? If we only bang on about it on here then only the police will read this and nothing will happen as everyone knows that in the locations picked they are only to do with revenue raising and nothing else in particularroad saftey!!
Am happy to draft so style letters and hopefully someone somewhere will put an end to this cynical abuse of motorists!
One question to pose! How may people have been prosecuted for careless driving eg driving unecessarily in the outside or middle lane below the speed limit blocking other traffic usuing these cameras??
paulqv said:
Has anyone noticed we now have two camera vans working simultaniously on the M74 nowadays!! About 10 miles apart on what comapared to the M6 and M1 must be the busiest road in the country! ( not)
Can anyone justifiably explain why we are so massivley over policed with camera vans and radar guns up here?
Does anyuone want to join with me in getting as many people to write to their MP and MSP and raise this as a public concern? If we only bang on about it on here then only the police will read this and nothing will happen as everyone knows that in the locations picked they are only to do with revenue raising and nothing elseAm happy to draft so style letters!
and hopefully someone somewhere will put an end to this cynical abuse of motoristsOne question to pose How may people have been prosecuted for careless driving eg driving unecessarilyin the outside or middle lane below the speed limit blocking other traffic usuing these cameras??
Now, you may be wondering why the great and the good in the Scottish PH world have not flocked to your rallying call.... I liked the bit where you offered to write the letter "Am happy to draft so style letters!" now offers like that don't come round that often!!! And another thing... SAFTEY... that is something you get bacon in.SAFETYSAFETY Sorry but someone had to say itCan anyone justifiably explain why we are so massivley over policed with camera vans and radar guns up here?
Does anyuone want to join with me in getting as many people to write to their MP and MSP and raise this as a public concern? If we only bang on about it on here then only the police will read this and nothing will happen as everyone knows that in the locations picked they are only to do with revenue raising and nothing elseAm happy to draft so style letters!
and hopefully someone somewhere will put an end to this cynical abuse of motoristsOne question to pose How may people have been prosecuted for careless driving eg driving unecessarilyin the outside or middle lane below the speed limit blocking other traffic usuing these cameras??
But keep up with the good work, I'm pretty sure you still have a few points to play with
Lol
thanks for the spelling corrections, yes my typing is crap but honestly English is my first language!
Perhaps others will see the merit despite the spelling! lol
As for our friend driving within the limit. I take it you have the speedometer in your car regularily checked for accuracy? you are aware that in the stirling area 10% plus 1 mph is the camera threashold and speedometers only have to be accurate to plus or minus 10% by law. I think you are missing the point of the thread. driving at or within the speed limit is not the only or main test for safety!
thanks for the spelling corrections, yes my typing is crap but honestly English is my first language!
Perhaps others will see the merit despite the spelling! lol
As for our friend driving within the limit. I take it you have the speedometer in your car regularily checked for accuracy? you are aware that in the stirling area 10% plus 1 mph is the camera threashold and speedometers only have to be accurate to plus or minus 10% by law. I think you are missing the point of the thread. driving at or within the speed limit is not the only or main test for safety!
robinh20mrv said:
absolutely said:
I used to go up and down the M74 regularly until I got ill, it was a great road if a little boring North of Abington.
I don't care about the speed camera vans because I drive inside the speed limit.
what a good boy you are! a credit to the forum.I don't care about the speed camera vans because I drive inside the speed limit.
absolutely said:
I used to go up and down the M74 regularly until I got ill, it was a great road if a little boring North of Abington.
I don't care about the speed camera vans because I drive inside the speed limit.
Thats these new modern type cameras for you, not like the old days, man with a radar gun etc, bloody chequebook speed checking this if ever there was such a thing.............I don't care about the speed camera vans because I drive inside the speed limit.
360 detailing said:
absolutely said:
I used to go up and down the M74 regularly until I got ill, it was a great road if a little boring North of Abington.
I don't care about the speed camera vans because I drive inside the speed limit.
Thats these new modern type cameras for you, not like the old days, man with a radar gun etc, bloody chequebook speed checking this if ever there was such a thing.............I don't care about the speed camera vans because I drive inside the speed limit.
Hi Adam!
Thanks for the support! lol.
There are in fact two people per van. One with the scope and laser using a 20 times or more magnification on a video which has the laser cross hairs on it. Generally only one can see this at a time. The activation period is allegedly .3 of a second. The vehicle is then tracked to get a good fix on the reg plate and also a close visual of the driver at 110m. The association of Chief Police Officers suggest a 'catch' limit of 82mph. In Stirling this has been unilaterally lowered to 78mph on motorways. The vans are not used forany other form of 'safety' offences as this would involve too muc time and difficulty. Whislt they can be adapted to immediatly check with DVLA for stolen vehicles as can the spec or average speed cameras, they are not as the police have generally no interest in catching stolen cars as that is an insurance matter and again uses too much police time.
AS absolutley knows the M&$ perhps he will recall the traffic density and number of accidents as compared to the old A74 the old 'killer road'. 7 people died in a small stretch of very badly worn out, very busy and very dangerous motorway on the M6 in the past few days. There are hardly any 'safety' vans ever on that streatch. If there are two in 10 miles of the M74 what does that tell us? That we are safer because of them? Or that the local police who can now keep all fines raised by vans, use them due to other motivations than safety?
Personaly, I would feel a lot safer, if I knew stolen uninsured cars or those driven badly or recklessley very being targeted and stopped.
Thanks for the support! lol.
There are in fact two people per van. One with the scope and laser using a 20 times or more magnification on a video which has the laser cross hairs on it. Generally only one can see this at a time. The activation period is allegedly .3 of a second. The vehicle is then tracked to get a good fix on the reg plate and also a close visual of the driver at 110m. The association of Chief Police Officers suggest a 'catch' limit of 82mph. In Stirling this has been unilaterally lowered to 78mph on motorways. The vans are not used forany other form of 'safety' offences as this would involve too muc time and difficulty. Whislt they can be adapted to immediatly check with DVLA for stolen vehicles as can the spec or average speed cameras, they are not as the police have generally no interest in catching stolen cars as that is an insurance matter and again uses too much police time.
AS absolutley knows the M&$ perhps he will recall the traffic density and number of accidents as compared to the old A74 the old 'killer road'. 7 people died in a small stretch of very badly worn out, very busy and very dangerous motorway on the M6 in the past few days. There are hardly any 'safety' vans ever on that streatch. If there are two in 10 miles of the M74 what does that tell us? That we are safer because of them? Or that the local police who can now keep all fines raised by vans, use them due to other motivations than safety?
Personaly, I would feel a lot safer, if I knew stolen uninsured cars or those driven badly or recklessley very being targeted and stopped.
such as old grannies in Mitsubishi lancers doing 25mph on a nice twisty country road.
Jokes aside,
i agree that these "safety cameras" can sometimes be more dangerous than anything else, as someone is driving above the limit (but safely)
sees the camera, slams on breaks to slow down and then looses control, or gets rear ended by the clio trying to keep up.
Adam
Jokes aside,
i agree that these "safety cameras" can sometimes be more dangerous than anything else, as someone is driving above the limit (but safely)
sees the camera, slams on breaks to slow down and then looses control, or gets rear ended by the clio trying to keep up.
Adam
I was one of the said Grannies in a Mitsubishi for nearly 5 years lol.
On the original post they were sitting out on the south side of Tain facing the low sun in one of the few straights and also at the mound facing north. From their first line of sight with the speeder/murderer it can't be far of 3/4 of a mile. Whats the limit to these cameras out of interest and could there be questions asked over the distance issue
On the original post they were sitting out on the south side of Tain facing the low sun in one of the few straights and also at the mound facing north. From their first line of sight with the speeder/murderer it can't be far of 3/4 of a mile. Whats the limit to these cameras out of interest and could there be questions asked over the distance issue
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Edited by Andrew[MG] on Friday 24th October 09:24
Hi
the cameras operate at 1km! They can pick you up from there and typically are working about 5-600m and then following the car in. On the M74 they are positioned on bridges to give maximum line of sight usually on long straights or kjust off level to minimise the cnahces of you spotting them. As far as i can tell there are no safety issues with the locations at which they are sited.
there are no laser detectors which work with them as you would need to have a sensor in the front grill and usually by the time they pick it up you could be caught.
Paul
the cameras operate at 1km! They can pick you up from there and typically are working about 5-600m and then following the car in. On the M74 they are positioned on bridges to give maximum line of sight usually on long straights or kjust off level to minimise the cnahces of you spotting them. As far as i can tell there are no safety issues with the locations at which they are sited.
there are no laser detectors which work with them as you would need to have a sensor in the front grill and usually by the time they pick it up you could be caught.
Paul
When I was in the RAF the police held a presentation on road safety. Decided to go mainly to waste an afternoon.
They had brought a 'safety partnership' van along. So I thought it's probably best to know one's enemy as well as possible
The distances and the speed the vans can process speeding cars is incredible. Basically if you see them it's probable it has already caught you, processed you and is already onto the car next to you.
The M74 is a route I use a lot and IF they are sited where there has been a number of accidents fair enough. What gets me, and this is the indiscriminate nature of scameras. Is getting a NIP for doing 80 on a dry, clear, empty, straight section of motorway where there probably has never been an accident. Yet in foggy, wet, busy conditions it's perfectly fine to tram along at a dangerous 70 and the cameras don't have a problem with it.
I suspect if it was a Traffic police car I hope they would use their discretion and decide what speed is safe for the given road conditions at the time.
These days it seems people can drive as dangerously as they want in cars without MOT ,untaxed/uninsured,stolen, as long as they are doing the speed limit and never come across the rare occasion of a Traffic car with ANPR.
They had brought a 'safety partnership' van along. So I thought it's probably best to know one's enemy as well as possible
The distances and the speed the vans can process speeding cars is incredible. Basically if you see them it's probable it has already caught you, processed you and is already onto the car next to you.
The M74 is a route I use a lot and IF they are sited where there has been a number of accidents fair enough. What gets me, and this is the indiscriminate nature of scameras. Is getting a NIP for doing 80 on a dry, clear, empty, straight section of motorway where there probably has never been an accident. Yet in foggy, wet, busy conditions it's perfectly fine to tram along at a dangerous 70 and the cameras don't have a problem with it.
I suspect if it was a Traffic police car I hope they would use their discretion and decide what speed is safe for the given road conditions at the time.
These days it seems people can drive as dangerously as they want in cars without MOT ,untaxed/uninsured,stolen, as long as they are doing the speed limit and never come across the rare occasion of a Traffic car with ANPR.
There was a semi-interesting article in the Herald during the week about "safety" cameras in Scotland. It was mentioning the reduction in fatalities on the A77 since the cameras were installed there, and a bit about how Scotland "isn't quite ready" to follow the example of the English county that's scrapping cameras.
My personal opinion is that these cameras exploit the problem, rather than doing anything to fix it. The article in the paper was talking about this new scheme that's planned, with SPECS cameras on all major roads. I don't condone letting your front number plate fall off, but it's a non-endorsable fixed penalty notice...
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