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I was very sorry to hear the Lossie Sprint will not be happening this year. I have heard a few reasons why but have not had any verified. I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in the event running next year without outside interference from people who believe they can run everything themselves. I sincerely hope the event can run again and with the right help it can.
DEKE said:
I have heard from a source in Elgin that they have a new Station Commander there at RAF Lossiemouth and this may be one of the reasons why sprint has been cancelled for july
Deke
Aye there is a new station commander at lossie. he is the one not letting MCMC (MORAY COAST MOTORCYCLE CLUB) run a RWYB (run what ya brung) event on the runway this year ..Deke
Thurso said:
never heard that Lossie was cancelled? shame good track and it was well run by Brian. I would be interested it this next year shame to lose good venue in the North of Scotland
If this is the one at Milltown airfield we're talking about I'm not sure I can agree on the well run comment, we were called to an incident and arrived at the appointed rvp to find the people manning the LOCKED gate didn't actually have the keys for the gate in question? Took longer to get access than it took to get there from Elgin.Gary
Glad you enjoyed yourself Murray. Has anyone heard for definite that it is cancelled as there is nothing on the championship website about it and it’s getting late for telling people. Apart from the hail storms and downpours we have encountered over the past couple of years I don’t think there have been too many problems with the event but any constructive criticism will be constructively acknowledged and ignored.
broraboy said:
any constructive criticism will be constructively acknowledged and ignored.
Probably not a surprise that no one asked for your help if this is your attitude...An email went out to all registered HSC members and is on the website: http://www.prhighlandspeedchampionship.co.uk/pdf/n...
This states that Lossie is almost certainly cancelled and gives the reason for it not running. If you're registered then you should have got this email last week.
This remark was commonly known as humourous! If you dont like a bit of humour then your in the wrong enviroment. This forum shouldnt be used for a personal s
gging match as you seem to be intenton, but for the good of motorsport. If you have nothing constructive to say then dont say anything.
gging match as you seem to be intenton, but for the good of motorsport. If you have nothing constructive to say then dont say anything. 
madmac666 said:
broraboy said:
any constructive criticism will be constructively acknowledged and ignored.
Probably not a surprise that no one asked for your help if this is your attitude...madmac666 said:
If you're registered then you should have got this email last week.
Not everyone did receive it - for reasons unknown.BB - calm down dear, it's only an internet forum.
madmac666 said:
... you obviously think there's a sinister reason or lay blame with someone over this event not running.
I did email BB asking similar but no reponse.broraboy said:
... constructive criticism ...
There have been a number of discussions. For instance, look at my relpy toward the bottom of this post. Also, some here.Last year, the paddock layout wasn't good. I believe the squadron had all gone somewhere leaving their cars where the organisers intended to have the paddock. A free for all paddock always ends up with people getting grumpy.
Real big deal for me is that bund thing that everyone watches from. It's only a matter of time before someone does an ankle in getting down from it.
I'd like to be able to invite spectators along but always got the impression that this wasn't really on.
Apart from the obvious good points, one cracking wee touch has been the offer of a beer from the NAAFI while the trophies were handed out. Small thing but it was really appreciated.
Cheers,
Eric
broraboy said:
This forum shouldnt be used for a personal sgging match as you seem to be intenton, but for the good of motorsport. If you have nothing constructive to say then dont say anything.
As Eric says, 'BB - calm down'!gging match as you seem to be intenton, but for the good of motorsport. If you have nothing constructive to say then dont say anything. Nobody is s
gging anyone but your first post has a dig at someone you don't seem keen to name - even though you've had 2 emails asking. I was showing you a link to the information you didn't find on the website so you could see the reason for this sprint being cancelled, was this not why you started this thread, to find out?Obviously I cant name names as the people responsible have done nothing. Just that, nothing. The sprint was left to Bert Grant from 63cc to try and organise. Bert has been a brilliant help everytime I or others from the RAFMSA ran events, dating back 12 odd years. Nobody who is still in the RAF at Lossiemouth offered Bert a hand or pointed him in the direction of someone there who could help. Whether it was a personal thing or not neither myself nor Tam Matthews who has been Deputy CoC was asked for advice or assistance. I was made aware of the situation a few weeks ago when somebody wished to know who to approach regarding gaining permission to actually use the airfield. So "operational reasons" are not a reason why the sprint would not run. My initial post was to see if anybody would give an explanation as to why the event would not run. This has not been the case.
I have always been willing to assist with the event and certainly hope to have it run again soon.
Regarding Erics points about speccy etc, the event is a closed venue and as such, due to security reasons, no spectators may enter the base. We gained permission for crews to be given access on the grounds they would stay within predefined areas. These areas were not spectator areas as people used i.e. on the rise he is on about. I understand the worry about injury but the only answer i can really give is no-one should be up there. I know this limits the already limited vantage points but its either little or none at all Im afraid.
The paddock was a mess. The amount of cars left was a disgrace and the situation will be resolved if we get back in.
In essence all that I wish to see happen is the event running again and people enjoying the craic as has happened previously.
I have always been willing to assist with the event and certainly hope to have it run again soon.
Regarding Erics points about speccy etc, the event is a closed venue and as such, due to security reasons, no spectators may enter the base. We gained permission for crews to be given access on the grounds they would stay within predefined areas. These areas were not spectator areas as people used i.e. on the rise he is on about. I understand the worry about injury but the only answer i can really give is no-one should be up there. I know this limits the already limited vantage points but its either little or none at all Im afraid.
The paddock was a mess. The amount of cars left was a disgrace and the situation will be resolved if we get back in.
In essence all that I wish to see happen is the event running again and people enjoying the craic as has happened previously.
madmac666 said:
An email went out to all registered HSC members and is on the website: http://www.prhighlandspeedchampionship.co.uk/pdf/n...
This states that Lossie is almost certainly cancelled and gives the reason for it not running.
I don't think that e-mail gives a reason for the cancellation at all... It merely states "Again, unfortunately, as some of you will know, it is now almost certain that the JulyThis states that Lossie is almost certainly cancelled and gives the reason for it not running.
Lossiemouth event will not take place this year. However regrettable, it is perhaps
understandable given that those involved in the organising club have significant commitments
in the Gulf and Afghanistan."
There is no reason there..only speculation that the reason is due to staffing commitments in the Gulf and Afghanistan.
From what I have heard, the reality is that for whatever reason, a group of people went over the head of the previous organiser to attempt to organise this year's event but by the end of May, (and this bit was confirmed by one of the new organisers) had not even approached the powers that be at Lossiemouth.
It's a shame for Brian as it was all his work getting the event off the ground. Hopefully some people may learn from the experience that they don't need to have their fingers in every pie...
jaf01uk said:
Thurso said:
never heard that Lossie was cancelled? shame good track and it was well run by Brian. I would be interested it this next year shame to lose good venue in the North of Scotland
If this is the one at Milltown airfield we're talking about I'm not sure I can agree on the well run comment, we were called to an incident and arrived at the appointed rvp to find the people manning the LOCKED gate didn't actually have the keys for the gate in question? Took longer to get access than it took to get there from Elgin.Gary
The marshals who were there on your arrival were free to wander over a section of the track to replace tyres and stage signage and their section of the stage passed the gate. No access was allowed at that gate so there was no need to issue those marshals a key.
When the incident requiring medical attention occurred, the patient was dealt with on scene and the event ambulance was escorted to the RVP point by another vehicle containing the key. The patient would not have arrived at hospital any quicker had the gate been open, indeed I suspect had you been given access while the incident was still being dealt with on scene, you may have been tempted to try to locate the incident yourself which could have caused a delay should you have gone to the wrong location.
The Milltown incident plan worked as planned on that occasion. Should you feel there is a better solution feel free to let the organisers know if the event runs again.
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