Trumps golf course
Discussion
As we have not had a thread on this i thought i would start one and see what everyone's views are on it.
I know it has been declined by Aberdeenshire council but there is an emergency meeting being set up to try and get round that decision. As far as i am concerned it is the wrong decision to decline this Golf course. It would benifit the whole of the North East if not Scotland and bring massive financial bonus's with it. I was even compelled to write Councillor Ford (The guy who had the deciding vote) an email and change his mind over it. Bloody liberals. It would be a real disaster if Northern Ireland got it and we didn't.
Anyway, What are your thoughts on it?
I know it has been declined by Aberdeenshire council but there is an emergency meeting being set up to try and get round that decision. As far as i am concerned it is the wrong decision to decline this Golf course. It would benifit the whole of the North East if not Scotland and bring massive financial bonus's with it. I was even compelled to write Councillor Ford (The guy who had the deciding vote) an email and change his mind over it. Bloody liberals. It would be a real disaster if Northern Ireland got it and we didn't.
Anyway, What are your thoughts on it?
Having been in numerous discussions with my local Councilor Martin Ford about personal planning matters in Fintray, I have full knowledge of how blinkered he is regarding development in the countryside, fanatical he is about environmental considerations at any price and domineering he is in his public roles and responsibilities. My biggest frustration is that he hides behind planning policies, rules and regulations that give little recourse to the affected other than expensive and time consuming appeals to the Scottish Executive.
This decision was too big for Cllr Ford to take. The responsibility should be shouldered across the full Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire Council.
I'm no fan of Trump either, but when NE oil becomes environmentally or commercially off limits, I would prefer our children to have the option of caddying for some tourists in the NE than having to fly the nest in search of work.
Trump was the man needed to run this development past our out of touch planning policies. Local entrepreneurs have been conditioned out of such aspirations.
This development needs our support.
If you think turning down the golf course is the wrong decision, you can sign a Downing Street petition.
The site is http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TrumpSupport
This decision was too big for Cllr Ford to take. The responsibility should be shouldered across the full Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire Council.
I'm no fan of Trump either, but when NE oil becomes environmentally or commercially off limits, I would prefer our children to have the option of caddying for some tourists in the NE than having to fly the nest in search of work.
Trump was the man needed to run this development past our out of touch planning policies. Local entrepreneurs have been conditioned out of such aspirations.
This development needs our support.
If you think turning down the golf course is the wrong decision, you can sign a Downing Street petition.
The site is http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TrumpSupport
If you've got an extra minute after signing the Downing Street one it's probably worth signing this one too. The goverment don't seem to pay much attention to petitions on their own website, and I really can't see them lot down there caring about this.
http://www.thisisaberdeen.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?no...
Whether or not people like Trump isn't the issue here, although it seemed to be for some of the councillors. They were voting on a leisure, tourism and housing complex that would bring a huge amount of money into the economy. This cannot be allowed to slip away, because in 20 years time when the oil industry has had it's day, if we don't have tourism, we're screwed.
a victory for the nippy sweeties.
signed both petitions, i cant see a strong argument against his case. albeit i have not read the trump proposal in full other than making a world class golf course near Aberdeen all sourced and gathered locally for the long term imagine what a disgrace said Betty 89, former traffic warden of Peterculter, well done Aberdeen council for being stunningly narrow minded. Personally it reeks to me ... depressing reading... trying to be objective not sarcastic, but its so difficult in the face of such stupidity.
signed both petitions, i cant see a strong argument against his case. albeit i have not read the trump proposal in full other than making a world class golf course near Aberdeen all sourced and gathered locally for the long term imagine what a disgrace said Betty 89, former traffic warden of Peterculter, well done Aberdeen council for being stunningly narrow minded. Personally it reeks to me ... depressing reading... trying to be objective not sarcastic, but its so difficult in the face of such stupidity.
Whilst not being an expert in planning law, I'm uncertain as to whether the council have the power to overturn the decision already made by the relevant committee - we shall see.
I cannot believe that the local infrastructure is in the hands of folk who will commit hundreds of millions to a peripheral route that is in the wrong place and about two decades too late but will turn down the chance of Trumpie's dollars funding a world class golf resort with associated hotels etc. This adjacent to a city with a chronic shortage of accommodation generally-never mind "Offshore Europe" week
Barking!
I cannot believe that the local infrastructure is in the hands of folk who will commit hundreds of millions to a peripheral route that is in the wrong place and about two decades too late but will turn down the chance of Trumpie's dollars funding a world class golf resort with associated hotels etc. This adjacent to a city with a chronic shortage of accommodation generally-never mind "Offshore Europe" week
Barking!
Its never going to be the best course in the world as there is 2 things King of the Combovers can't buy - History & a decent climate but that aside it would benefit Aberdeen & the North East a great deal.
But any mere mortal thinking “Great I’ll get a game on this right on my door step” will be in for a big disappointment as he/she won’t get a sniff at a round unless they are very well connected…….or they jump on at the 2nd hole ala Hazelhead No 1 J
Co.
But any mere mortal thinking “Great I’ll get a game on this right on my door step” will be in for a big disappointment as he/she won’t get a sniff at a round unless they are very well connected…….or they jump on at the 2nd hole ala Hazelhead No 1 J
Co.
CO2000 said:
But any mere mortal thinking "Great I'll get a game on this right on my door step" will be in for a big disappointment as he/she won't get a sniff at a round unless they are very well connected.
Yep - It would be about as easy as getting a quick round at Loch Lomond -
Meantime it would appear that our so-called Scottish Government have called in the application. About Bl
y time. Let's hope it's not too late and they act expeditiously Meantime keep the petitions going
Did you know he is trying his hardest to stop the offshore wind turbine project? For no better reason than he thinks it will spoil the view of the north sea (and because somebody that’s not him will be making money) Whether we support it or not. I don't want somebody from New York trying to tell us what we can and cannot have.
I think the man will have very little to bring to the area other than a thinly disguised plastic MacDonald’s.
Don’t think many people will agree with me but he reminds me of Tony Bair and once we have the little parasitic worm we won’t get rid of him.
I think the man will have very little to bring to the area other than a thinly disguised plastic MacDonald’s.
Don’t think many people will agree with me but he reminds me of Tony Bair and once we have the little parasitic worm we won’t get rid of him.
My recollection is that he just wanted the windfarm shifted a little to the left.
Whether one likes him or not... who cares? As to being stuck with him -he's not going to be around forever .. well Blair's a distant memory now!
Are the supporters of this scheme just prostituting our natural heritage to the Yankee dollar? Perhaps, but my vote would be for getting said $$ in before he goes bust (again) or Irish on us ...or worse still realises what Balmedie's really like on a average day
Whether one likes him or not... who cares? As to being stuck with him -he's not going to be around forever .. well Blair's a distant memory now!Are the supporters of this scheme just prostituting our natural heritage to the Yankee dollar? Perhaps, but my vote would be for getting said $$ in before he goes bust (again) or Irish on us ...or worse still realises what Balmedie's really like on a average day
I'm sorry but this is all about $$$ and not for the good of Aberdeeshire. Scotland's greatest asset (yes, even more than oil) is it's natural environment. Trump thought he could totally disregard environmental designations on the land and just do what ever the Hell he wanted. The area is indeed very special in terms of the environment and everyone should be more proud of that than ANOTHER golf course and f**king 1400 new shoe boxes, I mean houses. Development should not be at the expense of the natural environment. Build houses on farmland instead, it's so heavily subsidised it would be a far more econical use of it. Trump can get to f**k and Aberdeenshire council have 100% made the correct decision.
ViperScot said:
I'm sorry but this is all about $$$ and not for the good of Aberdeeshire. Scotland's greatest asset (yes, even more than oil) is it's natural environment. Trump thought he could totally disregard environmental designations on the land and just do what ever the Hell he wanted. The area is indeed very special in terms of the environment and everyone should be more proud of that than ANOTHER golf course and f**king 1400 new shoe boxes, I mean houses. Development should not be at the expense of the natural environment. Build houses on farmland instead, it's so heavily subsidised it would be a far more econical use of it. Trump can get to f**k and Aberdeenshire council have 100% made the correct decision.
Its good to see the other side of the coin. The thing about a Golf course is that it is designed to be beautiful. If you go to hazelhead you can see just how nicely a well designed Golf course fits in with the natural environment. Then nip up the coast and go to Cruden bay and again you will see one of the best Golf courses in Britain and just how well it fits in with the Environment.
The Golf course will not touch the Sands of Forvie Wildlife reserve which is where the vast majority of wildlife reside due to the Estuary. Its quite rare for wildlife other than seagulls to live along a stretch of coast like the area the Golf coast is going to go as its far to exposed for them to survive and there is no abundant food source.
On another note, I heard if the Golf course goes ahead, the A90 will stand a better chance of becoming a Dual Carriageway?! Can anyone confirm this?
Looking on the BBC news website this morning - The Scottish Government have taken unprecidented steps and have now looked into overturning the decision made by the halfwits of Aberdeenshire Council. Good luck!
danrc said:
ViperScot said:
I'm sorry but this is all about $$$ and not for the good of Aberdeeshire. Scotland's greatest asset (yes, even more than oil) is it's natural environment. Trump thought he could totally disregard environmental designations on the land and just do what ever the Hell he wanted. The area is indeed very special in terms of the environment and everyone should be more proud of that than ANOTHER golf course and f**king 1400 new shoe boxes, I mean houses. Development should not be at the expense of the natural environment. Build houses on farmland instead, it's so heavily subsidised it would be a far more econical use of it. Trump can get to f**k and Aberdeenshire council have 100% made the correct decision.
Its good to see the other side of the coin. The thing about a Golf course is that it is designed to be beautiful. If you go to hazelhead you can see just how nicely a well designed Golf course fits in with the natural environment. Then nip up the coast and go to Cruden bay and again you will see one of the best Golf courses in Britain and just how well it fits in with the Environment.
The Golf course will not touch the Sands of Forvie Wildlife reserve which is where the vast majority of wildlife reside due to the Estuary. Its quite rare for wildlife other than seagulls to live along a stretch of coast like the area the Golf coast is going to go as its far to exposed for them to survive and there is no abundant food source.
On another note, I heard if the Golf course goes ahead, the A90 will stand a better chance of becoming a Dual Carriageway?! Can anyone confirm this?
Looking on the BBC news website this morning - The Scottish Government have taken unprecidented steps and have now looked into overturning the decision made by the halfwits of Aberdeenshire Council. Good luck!
ViperScot said:
danrc said:
ViperScot said:
I'm sorry but this is all about $$$ and not for the good of Aberdeeshire. Scotland's greatest asset (yes, even more than oil) is it's natural environment. Trump thought he could totally disregard environmental designations on the land and just do what ever the Hell he wanted. The area is indeed very special in terms of the environment and everyone should be more proud of that than ANOTHER golf course and f**king 1400 new shoe boxes, I mean houses. Development should not be at the expense of the natural environment. Build houses on farmland instead, it's so heavily subsidised it would be a far more econical use of it. Trump can get to f**k and Aberdeenshire council have 100% made the correct decision.
Its good to see the other side of the coin. The thing about a Golf course is that it is designed to be beautiful. If you go to hazelhead you can see just how nicely a well designed Golf course fits in with the natural environment. Then nip up the coast and go to Cruden bay and again you will see one of the best Golf courses in Britain and just how well it fits in with the Environment.
The Golf course will not touch the Sands of Forvie Wildlife reserve which is where the vast majority of wildlife reside due to the Estuary. Its quite rare for wildlife other than seagulls to live along a stretch of coast like the area the Golf coast is going to go as its far to exposed for them to survive and there is no abundant food source.
On another note, I heard if the Golf course goes ahead, the A90 will stand a better chance of becoming a Dual Carriageway?! Can anyone confirm this?
Looking on the BBC news website this morning - The Scottish Government have taken unprecidented steps and have now looked into overturning the decision made by the halfwits of Aberdeenshire Council. Good luck!
I Just hope if the Scottish Government do approve it they don't just stop there and hand it back to the numpties at Aberdeenshire Council as its obvious they are worse than useless.
Edited by danrc on Wednesday 5th December 09:51
Trump should have had a chat with Stewarty Milne on how to get planning permission. Never seems to be a problem with our SM however he does it. For example you couldn't say the development between Westhill and Cairnie exactly fits in with the vernacular (as the planners say) and although built on a bog, presumably there are some birds and beasties displaced.
IMO the cooncil decision is a result of some of the normally more sensible cooncillors (relatively at least) being put off by Trumps patronising attitude and dodgy hairdo and voting with the lentalists who will reject anything and everything everytime for no particular reason other than they dislike anyone with money and want us all to live in blackhouses again.
IMO the cooncil decision is a result of some of the normally more sensible cooncillors (relatively at least) being put off by Trumps patronising attitude and dodgy hairdo and voting with the lentalists who will reject anything and everything everytime for no particular reason other than they dislike anyone with money and want us all to live in blackhouses again.
I'm not convinced Pistonheads is the place for this debate, but here comes my tuppenceworth.
Would the local economy benefit - possibly.
Would the environment (Site of Special Scientific Interest) be damaged - likely.
Are the councillors numpties - irrelevant, as that's democracy in action for you.
Is the golf course merely the formula shoehorn for housing permission - quite likely.
Will the golf course be open to all - only if you have a fat cheque book.
Will it be the best course in the world - not a chance.
Does Trump have a great business record - far from it.
Will the houses be gerry-built white elephants 20 years down the road - possibly.
And lastly - how much money do you have to have before Aberdeen Journals and their golf-culture management writes headlines like this in your support?
By the way, the Locost has gone to Engerlund, but I didn't get a billion dollars for it!
Would the local economy benefit - possibly.
Would the environment (Site of Special Scientific Interest) be damaged - likely.
Are the councillors numpties - irrelevant, as that's democracy in action for you.
Is the golf course merely the formula shoehorn for housing permission - quite likely.
Will the golf course be open to all - only if you have a fat cheque book.
Will it be the best course in the world - not a chance.
Does Trump have a great business record - far from it.
Will the houses be gerry-built white elephants 20 years down the road - possibly.
And lastly - how much money do you have to have before Aberdeen Journals and their golf-culture management writes headlines like this in your support?
By the way, the Locost has gone to Engerlund, but I didn't get a billion dollars for it!
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