The A9/90......and speed camera's
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Is this the most Speed Camera riddled road in Scotland?
Its a nightmare no other words describe it. Travelled up and down it from Stirling to Aberdeen and back...and I lost count of the numerous speed camera's situated at the road side.
Could I also ask what is the point of them being there?, its not as if there's a school near by.
But what really got me, was even though speed camera's litter the road side, there were still traffic police hiding behind bushes in the area around Glen-eagles (This is the 2nd time I have seen them in this spot), also there is a mile long zone North of Brechin that the speed limit drops from a 70 to 50, then back to 70....Why?
Of course there are speed camera's set up in this zone...for only one purpose..Money making!.
Why else would the limit drop so suddenly for such a short period with no obvious 'obstructions' to the traffic?.
One unfortunate (Who I was quite happy to see get 'flashed'), failed to notice the 50mph signs (and the flashing lights as he tried to trade bumpers with me), and travelled through the 50 zone at around 70mph........tit FLASH FLASH haha.
That 'zone' did what it was supposed to do, catch out the weiry driver who has had there senses warped whilst trying to watch theie speed, ans look out for camera's, instead of concentrating on driving.
Its a nightmare no other words describe it. Travelled up and down it from Stirling to Aberdeen and back...and I lost count of the numerous speed camera's situated at the road side.
Could I also ask what is the point of them being there?, its not as if there's a school near by.
But what really got me, was even though speed camera's litter the road side, there were still traffic police hiding behind bushes in the area around Glen-eagles (This is the 2nd time I have seen them in this spot), also there is a mile long zone North of Brechin that the speed limit drops from a 70 to 50, then back to 70....Why?
Of course there are speed camera's set up in this zone...for only one purpose..Money making!.
Why else would the limit drop so suddenly for such a short period with no obvious 'obstructions' to the traffic?.
One unfortunate (Who I was quite happy to see get 'flashed'), failed to notice the 50mph signs (and the flashing lights as he tried to trade bumpers with me), and travelled through the 50 zone at around 70mph........tit FLASH FLASH haha.
That 'zone' did what it was supposed to do, catch out the weiry driver who has had there senses warped whilst trying to watch theie speed, ans look out for camera's, instead of concentrating on driving.
That would be the Laurencekirk/Marykirk crossing. Used to live down that way, and there have been bad accidents there for a long time.
The 50 area is the only way to sort it, apart from the obvious flyover solution. That area council is not exactly well off as I understand it.
Just a couple of hundred metres to the North is another bad one, again, a lot of accidents there.
All the lights up at Fourdon are for much the same reason: IIRC a few years ago a semi with drill-pipe or similar was crossing there from the lorry park to go to the South bound carriageway: first car skinned the lid off itself and driver as it went under, second totalled the car and sent the driver to intensive care, the third was a write off with a badly bruised/shaken up driver. A few months later the lights etc. appeared.
But yes, the A90 is a crap road for cameras and police: south of Dundee you are back into the land of the living. Until you get on the A1 of course.
The 50 area is the only way to sort it, apart from the obvious flyover solution. That area council is not exactly well off as I understand it.
Just a couple of hundred metres to the North is another bad one, again, a lot of accidents there.
All the lights up at Fourdon are for much the same reason: IIRC a few years ago a semi with drill-pipe or similar was crossing there from the lorry park to go to the South bound carriageway: first car skinned the lid off itself and driver as it went under, second totalled the car and sent the driver to intensive care, the third was a write off with a badly bruised/shaken up driver. A few months later the lights etc. appeared.
But yes, the A90 is a crap road for cameras and police: south of Dundee you are back into the land of the living. Until you get on the A1 of course.
rpa.janwell said:
That would be the Laurencekirk/Marykirk crossing. Used to live down that way, and there have been bad accidents there for a long time.
The 50 area is the only way to sort it, apart from the obvious flyover solution. That area council is not exactly well off as I understand it.
Just a couple of hundred metres to the North is another bad one, again, a lot of accidents there.
All the lights up at Fourdon are for much the same reason: IIRC a few years ago a semi with drill-pipe or similar was crossing there from the lorry park to go to the South bound carriageway: first car skinned the lid off itself and driver as it went under, second totalled the car and sent the driver to intensive care, the third was a write off with a badly bruised/shaken up driver. A few months later the lights etc. appeared.
But yes, the A90 is a crap road for cameras and police: south of Dundee you are back into the land of the living. Until you get on the A1 of course.
Bloody hell, its the only road that I absolutly stick to the speed limit on, there are such a chance of getting caught even if unknowingly your speed creeps up (Which in a car of larger power is easy to do).
I suppose if you ignore the lights and are caught you really have no excuse, however its the sheer numbers of speed camera on one road that leave's me drained by the end of my journey.
Lazydonkey said:
My folks stay in Inverness and I'm in Glasgow so i'm on the A9 a fair bit.
Wait til you get done by a mobile gatso in a car that's disguised as a hillwalkers car.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
The fixed cameras on the A9 north of Perth are also on some of the previously decent overtaking spots.
The mobile ones are just as nasty - in favourite speeding places like Daviot and north of Inverness at the Mound or between the Tore & Nigg roundabouts. Wouldn't mind so much if you could see them as you approach - but I do object to a yellow jacket stepping out from behind a bush at the last minute.
From my experience the ones on the A90 aren't much better - the classic signpost with a square middle leg...
Also watch out for unmarked cars on the stretch from Brechin to Forfar. Dark coloured Mundeo last time I was heading South. By chance I'd just overtaken a work mate on the Brechin by-pass and he watched the following unfold...
Mondeo pulls out after him and goes past at 110 plus then hard on the brakes to sit on my bumper at 70. For the next 10 miles (to Forfar) he repeatedly drops back and accelerates hard to catch me up. Before overtaking then parking up in a layby angled to the kerb...
I'd spotted two overwieight looking chaps parked dogily in the slip road so had eased up from NSL +10% and didn't rise to their baiting.
Mondeo pulls out after him and goes past at 110 plus then hard on the brakes to sit on my bumper at 70. For the next 10 miles (to Forfar) he repeatedly drops back and accelerates hard to catch me up. Before overtaking then parking up in a layby angled to the kerb...
I'd spotted two overwieight looking chaps parked dogily in the slip road so had eased up from NSL +10% and didn't rise to their baiting.
rpa.janwell said:
All the lights up at Fourdon are for much the same reason: IIRC a few years ago a semi with drill-pipe or similar was crossing there from the lorry park to go to the South bound carriageway: first car skinned the lid off itself and driver as it went under, second totalled the car and sent the driver to intensive care, the third was a write off with a badly bruised/shaken up driver. A few months later the lights etc. appeared.
But yes, the A90 is a crap road for cameras and police: south of Dundee you are back into the land of the living. Until you get on the A1 of course.
Not sure if it was the same incident, but a guy I was working with at the time hit a truck that was crossing at Fourdon, he was in intensive care for quite some time after it, that was around 10 years ago, the junction has not been improved, or at least not much, but as you say at least there are lights there now.
The Laurencekirk junction would benefit from a flyover rather than the reduced speed limit, much as has been done at Forfar, there was a reduced limit there for quite some time.
I guess the problem is lack of cash.
cj_eds said:
in favourite speeding places like Daviot ...
I got done here last year - completely empty, dry, sunny, duel carridgeway with armco down the middle. Just me (not even in top), two empty lanes, the camera van blocking the entrance to the layby, the 6 points and the £200 fine.
Lazydonkey said:
My folks stay in Inverness and I'm in Glasgow so i'm on the A9 a fair bit.
Wait til you get done by a mobile gatso in a car that's disguised as a hillwalkers car.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Know it takes a bit longer on paper - same distance --how about the A82 -AA - SAYS 2 HOURS 30 TO Fort William (and 3h25 via A9)- only bad bit is at start - and there's not a lot of places to hide in Glencoe .Balaslush to fort william is possible at NSL ( and more once you know the road )again some laybyes, not a lot of hiding places and as for their claim of 1h 30 to Inverness - only 66 miles of not bad road --just over an hour at nsl
But if there's no cameras on the A82 - possibly a Battenburg or two - isn't the time a small price to pay??
Anyone know about the state of the A82 - last August last camera was outside Sainsburies leaving Glasgow.
oldie said:
My folks stay in Inverness and I'm in Glasgow so i'm on the A9 a fair bit.
Wait til you get done by a mobile gatso in a car that's disguised as a hillwalkers car.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Know it takes a bit longer on paper - same distance --how about the A82 -AA - SAYS 2 HOURS 30 TO Fort William (and 3h25 via A9)- only bad bit is at start - and there's not a lot of places to hide in Glencoe .Balaslush to fort william is possible at NSL ( and more once you know the road )again some laybyes, not a lot of hiding places and as for their claim of 1h 30 to Inverness - only 66 miles of not bad road --just over an hour at nsl
But if there's no cameras on the A82 - possibly a Battenburg or two - isn't the time a small price to pay??
Anyone know about the state of the A82 - last August last camera was outside Sainsburies leaving Glasgow.
I'm doing a journey (from down south) past Glasgow to Inverness every couple of weeks at the moment and the west coast is much prettier and there are bu66er all cameras (seen one once), but it definately takes longer. It's all them squiggly bits. I still do it if the weather is fine... so I can stop and get some of these:
I hate the road from Aberdeen to Dundee. It is the reason I bought a Road Angel.
The number of near-accidents I've seen because of the speed cameras is large. You really have to look out for people who don't see them until the last minute and then they pull on the anchors hard to get down to 50 mph because most of them don't even know what the speed limit is on the bit of road they're on at the time because speed limits on that road seem to be assigned by whim. At least the Road Angel warns you of when to be alert for people panic-braking after having just overtaken you.
Avoid it if possible, otherwise just drive with your brain switched off like the government wants you to.
J
The number of near-accidents I've seen because of the speed cameras is large. You really have to look out for people who don't see them until the last minute and then they pull on the anchors hard to get down to 50 mph because most of them don't even know what the speed limit is on the bit of road they're on at the time because speed limits on that road seem to be assigned by whim. At least the Road Angel warns you of when to be alert for people panic-braking after having just overtaken you.
Avoid it if possible, otherwise just drive with your brain switched off like the government wants you to.
J
Only once tried the route from edinburgh up A9 to kingussie to Fort William - and as an old west cost kid - i wished i'd left well alone -
Now - from Glasgow - to the DUNBARTON TURN OFF - road ok.
Through to Tarbet - fast - especially if you were used to the road about 20 yesars ago.
Tarbet - Crainlarech - as in the past 20 years - still the same.
Crainlarech - Balachulish - hasent changed for at least 20 years - if you know it - fast - but with a few problem curves and if windy - and wet - check tyre tracks of car in front to see where wind problems occur. (OUTLINE IN WET WANDERS --gives idea of problem
areas -like bridges ) (OTHRWISE - NSL AAND MORE APPLIES - talivans have little hides )Glencoe in any other time but high summer can be nasty - high winds - rain - poor visibility - in winter - snow( AND WHEN LIGHT GETS LOW ---DEER - .
AND DON'T FORGET THAT road repairs re ongoing in glencoe.
Now -Glencoe village to Fort William - to the bridge - good road - little problems.
Onich village - Fort William - possible in about 15 mins ( this was in 1960, car A40)- you need to know road ( and be thirsty , and be promised to meet GF in that time) --otherwise allow 25 mins for journey.
Nice twisty road - been updated - my opinion
Fort William - inverness - never really timed it - but believe that in quiete times possible in about hour - less if Talivan not a possibility)--road is a high (more than NSL) SPEED ROAD.
Now - from Glasgow - to the DUNBARTON TURN OFF - road ok.
Through to Tarbet - fast - especially if you were used to the road about 20 yesars ago.
Tarbet - Crainlarech - as in the past 20 years - still the same.
Crainlarech - Balachulish - hasent changed for at least 20 years - if you know it - fast - but with a few problem curves and if windy - and wet - check tyre tracks of car in front to see where wind problems occur. (OUTLINE IN WET WANDERS --gives idea of problem
areas -like bridges ) (OTHRWISE - NSL AAND MORE APPLIES - talivans have little hides )Glencoe in any other time but high summer can be nasty - high winds - rain - poor visibility - in winter - snow( AND WHEN LIGHT GETS LOW ---DEER - .
AND DON'T FORGET THAT road repairs re ongoing in glencoe.
Now -Glencoe village to Fort William - to the bridge - good road - little problems.
Onich village - Fort William - possible in about 15 mins ( this was in 1960, car A40)- you need to know road ( and be thirsty , and be promised to meet GF in that time) --otherwise allow 25 mins for journey.
Nice twisty road - been updated - my opinion
Fort William - inverness - never really timed it - but believe that in quiete times possible in about hour - less if Talivan not a possibility)--road is a high (more than NSL) SPEED ROAD.
itsmymumscar said:
One unfortunate (Who I was quite happy to see get 'flashed'), failed to notice the 50mph signs (and the flashing lights as he tried to trade bumpers with me), and travelled through the 50 zone at around 70mph........tit FLASH FLASH haha.
That 'zone' did what it was supposed to do, catch out the weiry driver who has had there senses warped whilst trying to watch theie speed, ans look out for camera's, instead of concentrating on driving.
I travel to Englandshire from Aberdeen on a regular basis so an up to date Road Angel or similar is a must. I thought the 50 mph section was overkill until I was travelling north on night in the right hand lane only to find someone attempting to cross the road was sticking out 2ft into my lane. Thank God I was only doing 50 mph and able to avoid the protuding vehicle. For the rest of the road a steady 77 mph on the GPS is fine.
CT is right a flyover or underpass similar to the Forfar ones would be good here - better lighting would help too. Surely the revenue from all those camera could help fund it.
cerbie said:
One unfortunate (Who I was quite happy to see get 'flashed'), failed to notice the 50mph signs (and the flashing lights as he tried to trade bumpers with me), and travelled through the 50 zone at around 70mph........tit FLASH FLASH haha.
That 'zone' did what it was supposed to do, catch out the weiry driver who has had there senses warped whilst trying to watch theie speed, ans look out for camera's, instead of concentrating on driving.
I travel to Englandshire from Aberdeen on a regular basis so an up to date Road Angel or similar is a must. I thought the 50 mph section was overkill until I was travelling north on night in the right hand lane only to find someone attempting to cross the road was sticking out 2ft into my lane. Thank God I was only doing 50 mph and able to avoid the protuding vehicle. For the rest of the road a steady 77 mph on the GPS is fine.
CT is right a flyover or underpass similar to the Forfar ones would be good here - better lighting would help too. Surely the revenue from all those camera could help fund it.
........the only way a flyover will be built in that area is if there is some sort of public backed proposal into needing one.
Right now, you will probably find that the money generated from the Gatso's is significant enough for the local authorities to continue without a flyover.
Money or Life??
My wife got nicked by a scameravan between Perth & Dundee a couple of years ago.
The annoying bit was that all the bumf that comes with the NIP goes on about how dangerous speeding is in town. True enough so why aren't the scameras in there rather than on a much safer dual carriageway with a crash barrier, etc?
They fitted an underpass at Longforgan a few years ago and last yer they did a flyover at the other end of it so maybe they'll eventually get round to doing that further north eventually.
I'd like to see speed cameras at blackspots but then, when they've raised enough money, use the proceeds to change the road layout to whatever is required to sort the problem.
Maybe that's too sensible.
The annoying bit was that all the bumf that comes with the NIP goes on about how dangerous speeding is in town. True enough so why aren't the scameras in there rather than on a much safer dual carriageway with a crash barrier, etc?
They fitted an underpass at Longforgan a few years ago and last yer they did a flyover at the other end of it so maybe they'll eventually get round to doing that further north eventually.
I'd like to see speed cameras at blackspots but then, when they've raised enough money, use the proceeds to change the road layout to whatever is required to sort the problem.
Maybe that's too sensible.
[quote=timr69]I'd like to see speed cameras at blackspots but then, when they've raised enough money, use the proceeds to change the road layout to whatever is required to sort the problem.
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Tim,
I prefer to think that if there is public knowledge of the existence of a really dangerous bit of road, then it should be fixed using some of the £billions already paid into the country's coffers by motorists.
I think it would be morally wrong to know of a danger and to delay action until cash cameras have collected enough to pay for road improvements, meanwhile carnage being allowed to continue. I would not like such a precedent to be set.
However this is really a hypothetical argument. Cameras are not solely placed at accident blackspots. They are placed on bits of normal road where no improvements are needed. Their purpose? (Apart from collecting money and alienating the public.)
J
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Tim,
I prefer to think that if there is public knowledge of the existence of a really dangerous bit of road, then it should be fixed using some of the £billions already paid into the country's coffers by motorists.
I think it would be morally wrong to know of a danger and to delay action until cash cameras have collected enough to pay for road improvements, meanwhile carnage being allowed to continue. I would not like such a precedent to be set.
However this is really a hypothetical argument. Cameras are not solely placed at accident blackspots. They are placed on bits of normal road where no improvements are needed. Their purpose? (Apart from collecting money and alienating the public.)
J
anyone speeding in airbles road is either asleep or doesnt know the area very well - the police are on it every single day of the year and they have several hiding places. they also use the rather devious technique of parking an unmarked camera car at bottom of hill and waiting out of sight further up the road at a layby to catch all the poor unsuspecting suckers. their other fav haunt is further up the hill at the side of the tile shop where on a dark evening they can stand against the wall in their fluorescent jackets and you cant see them until you're 20 yards away and way too late to slow down.
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