Anyone got an electric car?
Discussion
Don't think I've spotted an electric car yet. Maybe we could spend the £8.5m on not having farm tracks through the city centres. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/green...
My neighbour has a Nissan Leaf which seems well built with quite a hi-tec interior. However it is totally impractical for everyday use in a rural area.
The claimed range on a full charge is 100 miles but under real driving conditions this is reduced to around 70 miles. Then you have to wait 8 hours for it to re-charge. This means that a round trip of 80 miles to the nearest town is either out of range or requires a lengthy wait before returning home, assuming you can find a charging point.
The temperature this morning was -9C and when I met my neighbour in the village he informed me that if he continued to drive with his heater on he would not have enough charge to get home !!
The claimed range on a full charge is 100 miles but under real driving conditions this is reduced to around 70 miles. Then you have to wait 8 hours for it to re-charge. This means that a round trip of 80 miles to the nearest town is either out of range or requires a lengthy wait before returning home, assuming you can find a charging point.
The temperature this morning was -9C and when I met my neighbour in the village he informed me that if he continued to drive with his heater on he would not have enough charge to get home !!
OlberJ said:
I use a big electric car.
Holds a few hundred people and goes in and out of town all day long.
Horrible colour though.
Mr Branston has quite a few - he calls them Virgins ,though what they get called after a breakdown when things get F**c**d -I don't really know - hardly call them Virgin then can he Holds a few hundred people and goes in and out of town all day long.
Horrible colour though.
Our work has one as part of a dundee city cooncil initiative. Its a mitsubishi mi-ev, and its fugly, but its fun to drive (honest), charges from any 3 pin plug and makes big thirsty cars with lots of exhausts (like whats in my garage)suddenly look a little bit pathetic.
It will do 80 odd miles as long as you are not silly, which is fine for most days if youre not a rep, does 80mph if you want, and has hilarious torque delivery, with all its torque available at 0 rpm. In silence!
Main barrier for me is purchase price, like it has been for a Tesla, but once the costs come down, they'll suddenly be everywhere, mark my words!
It will do 80 odd miles as long as you are not silly, which is fine for most days if youre not a rep, does 80mph if you want, and has hilarious torque delivery, with all its torque available at 0 rpm. In silence!
Main barrier for me is purchase price, like it has been for a Tesla, but once the costs come down, they'll suddenly be everywhere, mark my words!
Edited by Johnny G Pipe on Monday 16th January 22:14
What the greens and government dont tell us is this.
To produce all the other products from crude oil, ie plastics, rubbers, paints, cosmetics, drugs, synthetics, solvents, LPG, lubricating oils, etc etc etc etc you have to Fractional Distillation crude oil. In layman's terms it means crude oil has to be heated and as the vapours condensate they produce all the things we need at different condensation temperatures.
You can not stop producing Diesel or Petrol if you want to produce all the other lub's and chemicals.
BIG QUESTION THEY DONT WANT YOU TO ASK IS......
What do you do with and where do you store all this unused diesel and petrol. It will keep being made no matter what...its just physics and Chemistry.
Fractional Distillation: the greens Achilles heal. Until we know what to do with it all we cant go totally green.
(Long live quad cats and OBD2. My Porka hardly produces any emissions anyway)
To produce all the other products from crude oil, ie plastics, rubbers, paints, cosmetics, drugs, synthetics, solvents, LPG, lubricating oils, etc etc etc etc you have to Fractional Distillation crude oil. In layman's terms it means crude oil has to be heated and as the vapours condensate they produce all the things we need at different condensation temperatures.
You can not stop producing Diesel or Petrol if you want to produce all the other lub's and chemicals.
BIG QUESTION THEY DONT WANT YOU TO ASK IS......
What do you do with and where do you store all this unused diesel and petrol. It will keep being made no matter what...its just physics and Chemistry.
Fractional Distillation: the greens Achilles heal. Until we know what to do with it all we cant go totally green.
(Long live quad cats and OBD2. My Porka hardly produces any emissions anyway)
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Tuesday 17th January 09:06
MidnightXR6 said:
I was browsing through scottish motor auctions and either today or tomorrow there is a nissan leaf going through the auction in Edinburgh.
Be interesting to see what it fetches or doesnt.
Wow!!!Be interesting to see what it fetches or doesnt.
Wouldnt mind one of them and re attach it to a tree!!
X
( possibly someone with a nissan issue0
MidnightXR6 said:
I was browsing through scottish motor auctions and either today or tomorrow there is a nissan leaf going through the auction in Edinburgh.
Be interesting to see what it fetches or doesnt.
Out of interestBe interesting to see what it fetches or doesnt.
From the Telegraph
Glass's served formal notice on consumers that the electric cars they're considering purchasing could depreciate by around 90 per cent in just five years. Or to put that another way, a Nissan Leaf with a list price of almost £30,000 new might be worth less than £3,000 on the second hand market just 60 months later when the car and its batteries are no longer under warranty.
From MotorQuote
A lithium ion battery is made up of 48 modules which would each cost £404 to replace. It is this type of battery that powers the world’s best-selling electric car, the Nissan Leaf. If the entire 48 modules all need replacing at the same time it would cost £19,392 to get the car back on the road.
Once we have sorted the petrochemical question, the way to go wont be battery it will be Hydrogen Fuel Cells with a much smaller battery capacity probably 60% smaller batteries. With a fuel cell, so long as you have hydrogen in the tank you can drive as far as you like then instantly fill up at a hydrogen replenishment pump. There are already a few in the UK under test.
the next big question is how do we produce the electric to charge our cars and to produce hydrogen by electrolysis.
It takes 10 years or more top bring an Nuclear power station on line so it will have to be Gas power stations. gass supplied by Russia via the Ukraine. Still not exactly green is it.
the next big question is how do we produce the electric to charge our cars and to produce hydrogen by electrolysis.
It takes 10 years or more top bring an Nuclear power station on line so it will have to be Gas power stations. gass supplied by Russia via the Ukraine. Still not exactly green is it.
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Wednesday 18th January 18:22
The conundrum with electric cars is, if we were honest, most of the journeys we do they would be ideal i.e. those short jaunts about town Its that slightly longer journey that we need a real car for and since not many of us can afford the two cars needed its the "sensible" expensive comprimised electric car which goes and the normal getting more efficient every year fossil fueled car we run
I've done over 11,000 miles on my Leaf - very well equipped, well made, drives very well, ultra refined, low runing costs, but expensive to buy and range is less when temperatures plunge. Overall a very significant and effective car provided you can afford the purchase price and you have another car in the house for longer trips. I live in SE England, BTW.
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