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thebaronoffrankb said:
you know it makes sense.
Not the most exciting or relevant first post on a car website.
No, it doesn't make sense for many reasons - least of all their typically smarmy toffee nosed untrustworthy leader. There are a few points in their manifesto I agree with, but not enough to vote for a party that screwed the vast majority of decent working class people, separated the 'haves' from the 'have nots' and generated an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude in a boom and bust economy that concentrated the wealth and people power down to a chosen few.
The Tory party still has a lot of attitude changing to do before it can become a decent opposition again. I have lived through 18 years of largely bad Government from the Tories. All the public services suffered. I suffered.
Our economy is stable, growing steadily and has been for years. This alone is enough reason to vote Labour once more. The Iraq issue would have happened even if the Tories had been in power.
I agree with tactical voting in terms of giving support for your local MP, considering their past record in their community, whichever party they are with.
From past record, I would expect the Tories to close hospitals and as per usual reduce all types of funding to areas outside of London for training, community schemes, the unemployed, people with disabilities and single parent families etc etc etc
Quite simply the Tories don't care about you unless you're a white, middle class, homeowner, married with two children, earn an above average wage, use private health.....
Hence the blinkered "I'm alright Jack" attitude.
Vote Labour. They're the best of a bad bunch, I'm afraid.
ricardinho said:
No, it doesn't make sense for many reasons - least of all their typically smarmy toffee nosed untrustworthy leader. There are a few points in their manifesto I agree with, but not enough to vote for a party that screwed the vast majority of decent working class people, separated the 'haves' from the 'have nots' and generated an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude in a boom and bust economy that concentrated the wealth and people power down to a chosen few.
The Tory party still has a lot of attitude changing to do before it can become a decent opposition again. I have lived through 18 years of largely bad Government from the Tories. All the public services suffered. I suffered.
Our economy is stable, growing steadily and has been for years. This alone is enough reason to vote Labour once more. The Iraq issue would have happened even if the Tories had been in power.
I agree with tactical voting in terms of giving support for your local MP, considering their past record in their community, whichever party they are with.
From past record, I would expect the Tories to close hospitals and as per usual reduce all types of funding to areas outside of London for training, community schemes, the unemployed, people with disabilities and single parent families etc etc etc
Quite simply the Tories don't care about you unless you're a white, middle class, homeowner, married with two children, earn an above average wage, use private health.....
Hence the blinkered "I'm alright Jack" attitude.
Vote Labour. They're the best of a bad bunch, I'm afraid.
me I would never have expected a post like that on PH.
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supaspark said:You see, that just about sums it up.
laymans terms for the hard of thinking
If your personal politics, beliefs and ideals lead you to be a Conservative, thats fine.
Ditto Labour, Lib-Dem, UKIP, whatever, it is a free country, we live in a democracy.
But the comment about 'the hard of thinking' is uncalled for and insulting. I would never ever dream of making such a comment about someones politcial opinion, even if I disagreed with intensely.
supaspark said:
Vote Conservative unless you want your arse taxed to f
laymans terms for the hard of thinking
Labour can be kept in check over that with a reduced majority
I think we are going to see quite an even-handed term over these next four years if Labour or the Tories get in.
It is the Liberal Democrats that pose the greatest political threat to this country now.
Balmoral Green said:
laymans terms for the hard of thinking
You see, that just about sums it up.
If your personal politics, beliefs and ideals lead you to be a Conservative, thats fine.
Ditto Labour, Lib-Dem, UKIP, whatever, it is a free country, we live in a democracy.
But the comment about 'the hard of thinking' is uncalled for and insulting. I would never ever dream of making such a comment about someones politcial opinion, even if I disagreed with intensely.
What a complete load of rubbish! Taking the comment right out of context.
blimy heck Triks u deep................
i am a conservative.
well i used to be .
my local mp Bev HUGHES
Has been so helpful and always communicates(labour)
I have a real dilema tomorrow.
I dont agree with TB because he represents the working classes
but his wife earns in excess of 400k
FFs THAT IS NOT WORKING CLASS.
i am a conservative.
well i used to be .
my local mp Bev HUGHES
Has been so helpful and always communicates(labour)
I have a real dilema tomorrow.
I dont agree with TB because he represents the working classes
but his wife earns in excess of 400k
FFs THAT IS NOT WORKING CLASS.
supaspark said:
supaspark said:
laymans terms for the hard of thinking
You see, that just about sums it up.
If your personal politics, beliefs and ideals lead you to be a Conservative, thats fine.
Ditto Labour, Lib-Dem, UKIP, whatever, it is a free country, we live in a democracy.
But the comment about 'the hard of thinking' is uncalled for and insulting. I would never ever dream of making such a comment about someones politcial opinion, even if I disagreed with intensely.
What a complete load of rubbish! Taking the comment right out of context.
Would you care to explain then? Because I took it as meaning - for those people who are not very clever and therefore vote any party other than Conservative, should vote Conservative unless they want to be taxed heavily over the next 5 years.
Taxes are a necessity for, amongst other things, public services in this country. Nobody likes paying them; but the country and society would crumble without them.
jessica said:
blimy heck Triks u deep................
i am a conservative.
well i used to be .
my local mp Bev HUGHES
Has been so helpful and always communicates(labour)
I have a real dilema tomorrow.
I dont agree with TB because he represents the working classes
but his wife earns in excess of 400k
FFs THAT IS NOT WORKING CLASS.
So, at what earnings level do you become working class then? Class cannot be measured on wages alone though Jess. It's more to do with background and how you were brought up IMHO. Maybe you could console yourself with the fact that TB doesn't exactly represent the working classes to the same extent that old Labour would have done. Labour changed and moved on. I'm all for challenging anything and supporting the underdog in order to improve the situation. I don't think the Tories have changed enough.
ricardinho said:
Quite simply the Tories don't care about you unless you're a white, middle class, homeowner, married with two children, earn an above average wage, use private health.....
Vote Labour. They're the best of a bad bunch, I'm afraid.
Damn I fit the above description, but having my eyes poked out with hot needles still wouldnt persuade me to vote Tory.
ricardinho said:
blimy heck Triks u deep................
i am a conservative.
well i used to be .
my local mp Bev HUGHES
Has been so helpful and always communicates(labour)
I have a real dilema tomorrow.
I dont agree with TB because he represents the working classes
but his wife earns in excess of 400k
FFs THAT IS NOT WORKING CLASS.
So, at what earnings level do you become working class then? Class cannot be measured on wages alone though Jess. It's more to do with background and how you were brought up IMHO. Maybe you could console yourself with the fact that TB doesn't exactly represent the working classes to the same extent that old Labour would have done. Labour changed and moved on. I'm all for challenging anything and supporting the underdog in order to improve the situation. I don't think the Tories have changed enough.
And while you're all hung up about "what class" you belong in or someone else belongs in the mess this country seems to be heading for shalln't be averted. What we need isn't a change at the top (which I still think we do) as a change at the bottom to remove the abuse and corruption that seems prevalent throughout our society (and that includes the entire civil service which has been corrupt since the day it was conceived). How many parties are committed to that?
The real question today though is do you vote for self interest or for the good of the country?
ricardinho said:
Balmoral Green said:
supaspark said:
laymans terms for the hard of thinking
You see, that just about sums it up.
If your personal politics, beliefs and ideals lead you to be a Conservative, thats fine.
Ditto Labour, Lib-Dem, UKIP, whatever, it is a free country, we live in a democracy.
But the comment about 'the hard of thinking' is uncalled for and insulting. I would never ever dream of making such a comment about someones politcial opinion, even if I disagreed with intensely.
What a complete load of rubbish! Taking the comment right out of context.
Would you care to explain then? Because I took it as meaning - for those people who are not very clever and therefore vote any party other than Conservative, should vote Conservative unless they want to be taxed heavily over the next 5 years.
Taxes are a necessity for, amongst other things, public services in this country. Nobody likes paying them; but the country and society would crumble without them.
"For people that are touchy"
Let me re-phrase: You really NEED to think about who gets into government next, because its a minimum of 4 years.
The way labour have plaid their hand over the last four years is alarming, local government overspending, millions to the EU, defunct health service improvments..the list is endless. TB has not in my opinion come true to his word, so he needs to go.
The Tory's are crap too, just right of middle of the road these days (labour just left of middle of road) and also a little lost!
In my opinion this country will be in ression within 2 years all the signs are there on the high street and in small manufacturing businesses.
When it hits you need a Conservative government around to curb spending or at least spend it in the right place!
Too much of my tax contribution is being wasted at the moment on speed bumps..there is enough already.
So what I tried to say was THINK about the possible futures when you vote today.
Nothing about whether you are thick or not!
Rob_F said:
I may not agree entirely with the Tories, but - come on, them or Kennedy and a complete end to personal freedom?
Lib dems are the only party opposing the ID card scheme, which i consider a massive infringment on my personal liberty.
Cheers,
Rob.
I'm thinking more about the fact that they'd essentially turn our cars into public transport.
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