The latest cobblers from Bristol Council.....
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http://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/residents%E2%80%99-...
Coming soon to anyone that lives in central Bristol.
Yet another tax on the motorist....
Coming soon to anyone that lives in central Bristol.
Yet another tax on the motorist....
GlenMH said:
http://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/residents%E2%80%99-...
Coming soon to anyone that lives in central Bristol.
Yet another tax on the motorist....
Yes and its a big one. Object or pay! It means that there will be no free parking anywhere during the week and the cost will be 1 pound per hour for up to 3 hours only etc...Coming soon to anyone that lives in central Bristol.
Yet another tax on the motorist....
I say, this war on motorists in Bristol needs to be stopped.
Simply more people that won't come to Bristol. The Centre's only 9 miles from here and it's already too expensive to park, snarled with traffic jams of the council's making and the bus takes 50 minutes each way. If they really believe that I'll catch the bus (one an hour, not before 8.00am and last going out at 5.30pm)then they have not a clue. That's putting aside the the tool box and telescopic ladder I need for work. If Bristol don't want us to commute in then we'd best all find offices in BANES or South Glos where we'de be made to feel welcome
This is a really big issue. The rationale behind the widespread areas is to prevent commuters "moving outward" to find parking but I'm not convinced it's a big problem other than in certain small areas.
I think the general opinion's quite against this, and the opposition is fairly vocal, so I hope it'll put paid to this nonsense.
If this is applied Bristol-wide it'll be a complete nightmare. No free parking anywhere, typical anti-car apartheid.
I think the general opinion's quite against this, and the opposition is fairly vocal, so I hope it'll put paid to this nonsense.
If this is applied Bristol-wide it'll be a complete nightmare. No free parking anywhere, typical anti-car apartheid.
TorqueVR said:
Simply more people that won't come to Bristol. ......If Bristol don't want us to commute in then we'd best all find offices in BANES or South Glos where we'de be made to feel welcome
This is exactly my point to all the nimbys campaigning for this: Bristol is a great place to live BECAUSE of the commerce here that can fund all the good things that go on. Drive the commuters and commerce away and it won't be so great.The other big one is that people need to be careful what they wish for: lose the commuters AND potentially lose 50% of the parking spaces in lots of narrow Victorian roads that aren't wide enough to park without using a bit of the pavement.
Just to play devil's advocate on this for a moment...
The people in the affected streets appear to be the ones doing the complaining about all day parking, and I have to admit I can see some sort of logic in their argument - take the car out for 10 minutes to fill the tank and your parking space has gone by the time you get back, and you end up parking half a mile away from your house for the rest of the day. If you can find a parking space at all, that is ...
Now you could argue that they only have themselves to blame. Buy a Vctorian house with no off street parking (because cars hadn't been invented when they built that street) and don't be surprised if somebody else nicks your parking space when you vacate it. But it would certainly get right up my nose if, for example, I lived in Redland and the nearest place to park the car I could find was in Lockleaze
Regarding the earlier poster who was talking about carting around a telescopic ladder, I had the same sort of problem a few years ago when I was doing a Stock Condition Survey for a housing association in Notting Hill and North Kensington. The back streets around there have had residents only parking for years, with just a few pay-and-display bays here and there. Not only that, but they had Parking Nazis pissing around on mopeds to issue the tickets if you took no notice
It was a bloody nuisance carting that ladder around, but at the end of the day the client paid for it, both in the parking charges and the fact that it took me longer to do the job than would otherwise have been the case.
But the world didn't end, and the last time I looked the shops in Ladbroke Grove and Portobello Road appeared to be thriving
The people in the affected streets appear to be the ones doing the complaining about all day parking, and I have to admit I can see some sort of logic in their argument - take the car out for 10 minutes to fill the tank and your parking space has gone by the time you get back, and you end up parking half a mile away from your house for the rest of the day. If you can find a parking space at all, that is ...
Now you could argue that they only have themselves to blame. Buy a Vctorian house with no off street parking (because cars hadn't been invented when they built that street) and don't be surprised if somebody else nicks your parking space when you vacate it. But it would certainly get right up my nose if, for example, I lived in Redland and the nearest place to park the car I could find was in Lockleaze
Regarding the earlier poster who was talking about carting around a telescopic ladder, I had the same sort of problem a few years ago when I was doing a Stock Condition Survey for a housing association in Notting Hill and North Kensington. The back streets around there have had residents only parking for years, with just a few pay-and-display bays here and there. Not only that, but they had Parking Nazis pissing around on mopeds to issue the tickets if you took no notice
It was a bloody nuisance carting that ladder around, but at the end of the day the client paid for it, both in the parking charges and the fact that it took me longer to do the job than would otherwise have been the case.
But the world didn't end, and the last time I looked the shops in Ladbroke Grove and Portobello Road appeared to be thriving
True - but that is in pretty much the only city in the UK with a vaguely integrated public transport system that has the capability to get people where they want to go for reasonable cost/time.
That kind of system is something Bristol is certainly lacking.
The RPZ is going to make no difference to my life (apart from the 30 quid for a permit) BUT I think it will have a big detrimental economic impact on the city if we don't sort the public transport out before implementing it.
That kind of system is something Bristol is certainly lacking.
The RPZ is going to make no difference to my life (apart from the 30 quid for a permit) BUT I think it will have a big detrimental economic impact on the city if we don't sort the public transport out before implementing it.
I hope that local objections are taken on board, the trouble is that the cumulative effect of lots of areas going a bit NIMBY and agreeing to the Residential Parking means that Bristol becomes far more of a pain in the arse as a whole.
I'm caught in a bit of a trap myself- My flat in Harbourside does not come with parking. Fine, that's my choice, and quite a few don't. However, my road did not exist when the current central RPZ boundaries were set. So I'm not eligible for a resident's parking permit, which would allow me to park within a reasonable walk of home. I did have one for a while until one of my tosspot neighbours found out and complained, but that's a different story.
The boundaries of the RPZ are changing/have now changed so I'm technically eligible for a permit, but the list is full.
So, you introduce Hotwells resident's parking, which covers the only unrestricted street within slightly further walking distance, and I won't be eligible for a permit, because I don't live "there". So I can't legally park my car on the street ANYWHERE.
And there's other anomalies, like the guy I know in the Crescent who owns a camper van. Camper van won't get into underground car park. But he won't be eligible either. So he can't park on Jacob's Wells Road.
And then, with all of these different zones, you can't interchange permits. So I can't stay overnight with my (hypothetical
) girlfriend in Redland without leaving at silly o'clock. Can't pop to the shops on Gloucester Road without paying, probably.
And if my friends visit, can they park on Jacob's Wells Road? No, because I can't get a permit. They'll have to pay 12 quid a day in the multistory.
It's a sledgehammer solution to a nut problem. I simply don't believe all of the hype about the hordes of marauding commuters. And what Glen says is right- All of the slightly marginal but fine parking that goes on now on certain roads gets wiped out with double yellows and defined bays. Available parking reduces massively.
I feel dirty for saying this, but I'd almost rather a congestion charge (with local discounts) than this b
ks.
I'm caught in a bit of a trap myself- My flat in Harbourside does not come with parking. Fine, that's my choice, and quite a few don't. However, my road did not exist when the current central RPZ boundaries were set. So I'm not eligible for a resident's parking permit, which would allow me to park within a reasonable walk of home. I did have one for a while until one of my tosspot neighbours found out and complained, but that's a different story.
The boundaries of the RPZ are changing/have now changed so I'm technically eligible for a permit, but the list is full.
So, you introduce Hotwells resident's parking, which covers the only unrestricted street within slightly further walking distance, and I won't be eligible for a permit, because I don't live "there". So I can't legally park my car on the street ANYWHERE.
And there's other anomalies, like the guy I know in the Crescent who owns a camper van. Camper van won't get into underground car park. But he won't be eligible either. So he can't park on Jacob's Wells Road.
And then, with all of these different zones, you can't interchange permits. So I can't stay overnight with my (hypothetical
) girlfriend in Redland without leaving at silly o'clock. Can't pop to the shops on Gloucester Road without paying, probably. And if my friends visit, can they park on Jacob's Wells Road? No, because I can't get a permit. They'll have to pay 12 quid a day in the multistory.
It's a sledgehammer solution to a nut problem. I simply don't believe all of the hype about the hordes of marauding commuters. And what Glen says is right- All of the slightly marginal but fine parking that goes on now on certain roads gets wiped out with double yellows and defined bays. Available parking reduces massively.
I feel dirty for saying this, but I'd almost rather a congestion charge (with local discounts) than this b
ks.Carreauchomper said .....Can't pop to the shops on Gloucester Road without paying, probably.
And that's also part of the problem. I've very much like to use the excellent shops on Gloucester Road, but the parking restrictions are a nightmare. I have to use Glos Road collecting keys from estate agents and I usually have to park on a double yellow as there's nowhere else, so shopping in the butcher, fishmonger and baker etc is a complete no-no. At Christmas George Ferguson suspended the parking restrictions for two weeks to boost trade, so if they are bad for trade why in gods name did he no kill them off?
And that's also part of the problem. I've very much like to use the excellent shops on Gloucester Road, but the parking restrictions are a nightmare. I have to use Glos Road collecting keys from estate agents and I usually have to park on a double yellow as there's nowhere else, so shopping in the butcher, fishmonger and baker etc is a complete no-no. At Christmas George Ferguson suspended the parking restrictions for two weeks to boost trade, so if they are bad for trade why in gods name did he no kill them off?
TorqueVR said:
. I've very much like to use the excellent shops on Gloucester Road, but the parking restrictions are a nightmare. I have to use Glos Road collecting keys from estate agents and I usually have to park on a double yellow as there's nowhere else, so shopping in the butcher, fishmonger and baker etc is a complete no-no. At Christmas George Ferguson suspended the parking restrictions for two weeks to boost trade, so if they are bad for trade why in gods name did he no kill them off?
You know where I live and there is ALWAYS parking round here which is ideal for the Gloucester Rd shopping trip!Now it appears Mayor George is discussing switching on the cash generators, sorry speed and traffic light cameras, in the name of improving road safety.
While I think traffic light cameras have their place I rather suspect that the rest being switched on might coincide nicely with the introduction of the city wide 20mph limit and and a swelling in funds for the Police who he doesn't want to subsidise any more (he wanted to withdraw PCSO funding until the new commissioner kicked him in the shins).
Wonder what else they can do to stop people driving into town...apart from building more and more parts to the BRI and having only 6 disabled parking bays for the whole sodding place while all the double yellows nearby have been made no loading/unloading etc so cannot be used. FFS! Utterly clueless BCC tts (they denied planning for new car parking at the BRI). It's a major centre for acutely ill people, many with compromised immune systems etc who are expected to just hop on a fking bus!
While I think traffic light cameras have their place I rather suspect that the rest being switched on might coincide nicely with the introduction of the city wide 20mph limit and and a swelling in funds for the Police who he doesn't want to subsidise any more (he wanted to withdraw PCSO funding until the new commissioner kicked him in the shins).
Wonder what else they can do to stop people driving into town...apart from building more and more parts to the BRI and having only 6 disabled parking bays for the whole sodding place while all the double yellows nearby have been made no loading/unloading etc so cannot be used. FFS! Utterly clueless BCC t
ts (they denied planning for new car parking at the BRI). It's a major centre for acutely ill people, many with compromised immune systems etc who are expected to just hop on a fking bus!GlenMH said:
You know where I live and there is ALWAYS parking round here which is ideal for the Gloucester Rd shopping trip!Yertis said:
Fortunately for me my office lease ends in 18 months. If this comes in I shall just move the whole business somewhere else. George Ferguson has dropped in my estimation more than somewhat.
And this is EXACTLY the reason why I am opposed to the scheme.All George is doing is implementing the policies that were voted for by the Lib Dems and Greens in the last administration. The joys of living in a lentalist controlled city.
The next elections are going to be interesting....
Yertis said:
George Ferguson has dropped in my estimation more than somewhat.
This. I voted for him too.. none of this was mentioned at the time!I read through the proposal yesterday and people living in the area can have 1 visitor a week before paying extra for passes. The result will be mother can come to me and we'll go out for lunch in south glos instead - driving money away from BCC. Great thinking George.
My friend owns a garage within the area too, where customers currently park on the road. He'll be 'allowed' to buy 5 permits at £100 per year for his customers cars. He can currently have 10 customers per day with MOT work etc, so it'll half his potential business. Larger, out of town garages with off street parking could reap the benefits of this loss.. driving money away from small businesses and possibly BCC. Great thinking George.
bristolbaron said:
My friend owns a garage within the area too, where customers currently park on the road. He'll be 'allowed' to buy 5 permits at £100 per year for his customers cars. He can currently have 10 customers per day with MOT work etc, so it'll half his potential business. Larger, out of town garages with off street parking could reap the benefits of this loss.. driving money away from small businesses and possibly BCC. Great thinking George.
The garage we use is in Ashley Down and will no doubt face the same. I can't see them wanting this or doing too well if it is implemented.Bristol City Council - they love driving...business out of town!
Edited by Six Fiend on Thursday 28th March 13:43
GlenMH said:
And this is EXACTLY the reason why I am opposed to the scheme.
All George is doing is implementing the policies that were voted for by the Lib Dems and Greens in the last administration. The joys of living in a lentalist controlled city.
The next elections are going to be interesting....
It'll be too late then though. He seems to forget that many business owners - like me - live outside of Bristol. If we're not made to feel welcome - and to be honest the City doesn't do much to encourage me to stay as it is - then these days it's perfectly easy to just up sticks and work from wherever. To be honest the only reason we're here is because we've got nice shops and restaurants handy - being in Bristol wasn't a commercial decision anyway, and we've only got one client actually in the city. AZTEC West or similar would actually make more sense to us.All George is doing is implementing the policies that were voted for by the Lib Dems and Greens in the last administration. The joys of living in a lentalist controlled city.
The next elections are going to be interesting....
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