20 mph across Bristol
Discussion
I have heard that consultation has started re the 20 mph zoning acoss all of Bristol. Please make a submission pointing out that:
1) 20 mph does not decrease accident rate.
2) 20 mph does not decrease the liklihood of injury
3) 20 mph increases congestion
4) 20 mph increases pollution
5) 20 mph increases carbon emissions
6) 20 mph decreases bus efficiency for users
7)20 mph will likely lead to cyclists trying to overtake cars increasing their danger
and/or any other valid points you can make. Please circulate widely -this is out only chance to stop this madness!
http://www.citizenspace.com/bristol/consultation-r...
Cheers
1) 20 mph does not decrease accident rate.
2) 20 mph does not decrease the liklihood of injury
3) 20 mph increases congestion
4) 20 mph increases pollution
5) 20 mph increases carbon emissions
6) 20 mph decreases bus efficiency for users
7)20 mph will likely lead to cyclists trying to overtake cars increasing their danger
and/or any other valid points you can make. Please circulate widely -this is out only chance to stop this madness!
http://www.citizenspace.com/bristol/consultation-r...
Cheers
Doesn't Bristol have the second lowest average speed in the UK around town anyway? Isn't it 17mph that is the average speed people can drive round town, only London is slower.
So to keep things equal, if we are fined for going over 20mph I believe we should be able to fine the council or receive compensation if we are unable to drive at a minimum speed, say 15mph. Maybe then things will be put in place to stop congestion & actually try to speed up journey times, things like opening up blocked through roads to stop channelling everyone to the same junction, flashing amber lights at traffic lights at quiet times etc.
We all know speed doesn't kill, every jet fighter pilot, everyone that ever travelled on concord would be dead if that's the case, its stopping to quickly that kills, grinding traffic to a stand still may stop cars hitting pedestrians but frustration also kills.
20mph, what ever, more often that not thats not possible anyway because of the 'calming measures' in place.
So to keep things equal, if we are fined for going over 20mph I believe we should be able to fine the council or receive compensation if we are unable to drive at a minimum speed, say 15mph. Maybe then things will be put in place to stop congestion & actually try to speed up journey times, things like opening up blocked through roads to stop channelling everyone to the same junction, flashing amber lights at traffic lights at quiet times etc.
We all know speed doesn't kill, every jet fighter pilot, everyone that ever travelled on concord would be dead if that's the case, its stopping to quickly that kills, grinding traffic to a stand still may stop cars hitting pedestrians but frustration also kills.
20mph, what ever, more often that not thats not possible anyway because of the 'calming measures' in place.
Done.
20mph across The Downs, Westbury Rd, Falcondale, Passage Rd? Madness and how is it green to need a lower gear and higher revs?
In the city centre it is self regulating by the sheer f
kwittery of the traffic layout.
Residential 20 limits? Pointless, I live in one, opposite a school. It's a joke.
Bristol - anti-car and anti-business (they're bringing in parking charges for the whole inner area on Sundays too with 2 hour limits!).
20mph across The Downs, Westbury Rd, Falcondale, Passage Rd? Madness and how is it green to need a lower gear and higher revs?
In the city centre it is self regulating by the sheer f
kwittery of the traffic layout.Residential 20 limits? Pointless, I live in one, opposite a school. It's a joke.
Bristol - anti-car and anti-business (they're bringing in parking charges for the whole inner area on Sundays too with 2 hour limits!).
Edited by Six Fiend on Saturday 22 September 16:36
Done. Have just been reading through some of the comments and can see some of the arguments for and against, even if I don't agree with them.
This, however, just made my brain implode:
This, however, just made my brain implode:
Councillor Tim Kent said:
We want to work with communities to ensure drivers drive safely. Please look up your local neighbourhood forum and use this as a way to report problems of speeding. The police attend these and act on requests for enforcement.
Do we really feel that 30 mph is an OK speed on our residentail streets – driving past our children? our homes? The reality is even at 30 mph children can be mamed and killed by any driver – just distracted for a second by a phone, something on the street, a conversation. We all know this could happen and sometimes it does. Is it not time we rebalanced the road going by our home so that we can live with, use and love our car and not see them as something that is dangerous and that imprisons our children as we are too afraid to let them walk to the local park?
Tim
Do we really feel that 30 mph is an OK speed on our residentail streets – driving past our children? our homes? The reality is even at 30 mph children can be mamed and killed by any driver – just distracted for a second by a phone, something on the street, a conversation. We all know this could happen and sometimes it does. Is it not time we rebalanced the road going by our home so that we can live with, use and love our car and not see them as something that is dangerous and that imprisons our children as we are too afraid to let them walk to the local park?
Tim
Will try later if it's open to non-residents, we have a 20 here in Axbridge thats routinely ignored in places (including by buses) and as far as I know it hasn't been a problem, although where the school is it's unlikely anyone will be doing more than 20 anyway...
Did anyone see the piece on the local news about this in reference to Cyclists? and what was the first clip they show... a woman riding down Park Street moves over to the center of the road without even looking, only then she sticks out her arm (looks like turning into the Council House) and checks over her shoulder
Did anyone see the piece on the local news about this in reference to Cyclists? and what was the first clip they show... a woman riding down Park Street moves over to the center of the road without even looking, only then she sticks out her arm (looks like turning into the Council House) and checks over her shoulder
Edited by mizx on Saturday 22 September 17:14
mizx said:
Will try later if it's open to non-residents, we have a 20 here in Axbridge thats routinely ignored in places (including by buses) and as far as I know it hasn't been a problem, although where the school is it's unlikely anyone will be doing more than 20 anyway...
Did anyone see the piece on the local news about this in reference to Cyclists? and what was the first clip they show... a woman riding down Park Street moves over to the center of the road without even looking, only then she sticks out her arm (looks like turning into the Council House) and checks over her shoulder
It certainly accepted my entry when I put my Portishead postcode in.Did anyone see the piece on the local news about this in reference to Cyclists? and what was the first clip they show... a woman riding down Park Street moves over to the center of the road without even looking, only then she sticks out her arm (looks like turning into the Council House) and checks over her shoulder
Edited by mizx on Saturday 22 September 17:14
Aaargh, thanks for royally p***ng me off!
I can't believe this ste is still going ahead, thought the existing areas were it. The bias of the Council is more than evident to see:
20mphteam on September 20, 2012 at 14:31 said:
A ‘through route’ to one person is a residential street to another. This debate is about balancing the needs of all road users including pedestrians and cyclists with those of the car driver. Bristol is a vibrant city and slowing the speed down on our roads will create a better environment for the more vulnerable road users, whilst allowing car drivers to continue about their business with minimal delay.
So it's not really a consultation at all.
What a thoroughly stupid idea, next we'll be forced to have little men walking in front of the cars with red flags. Lowest common denominator Lib Dem bullst.
I've added my views, along the lines that "This is barking". If they apply this to all s/c roads in Bristol I am going to be picking up some speeding points.
I can't believe this s
te is still going ahead, thought the existing areas were it. The bias of the Council is more than evident to see:20mphteam on September 20, 2012 at 14:31 said:
A ‘through route’ to one person is a residential street to another. This debate is about balancing the needs of all road users including pedestrians and cyclists with those of the car driver. Bristol is a vibrant city and slowing the speed down on our roads will create a better environment for the more vulnerable road users, whilst allowing car drivers to continue about their business with minimal delay.
So it's not really a consultation at all.
What a thoroughly stupid idea, next we'll be forced to have little men walking in front of the cars with red flags. Lowest common denominator Lib Dem bulls
t. I've added my views, along the lines that "This is barking". If they apply this to all s/c roads in Bristol I am going to be picking up some speeding points.
carreauchompeur said:
...If they apply this to all s/c roads in Bristol I am going to be picking up some speeding points.
I don't think the Police are willing to enforce it. However, that won't stop many people driving at 19mph ('just to be safe') on roads that are currently fine at 30.My problem is that this project is being carried out for political and social engineering reasons, but will have legal force behind it. It will soon be perfectly possible to lose your licence and livelihood for doing something that is completely safe, and currently 100% legal.
"Funding to cover the £2.3 million it costs to implement the scheme will come from the Local Sustainable Transport Fund"
Err, isn't that misappropriation?
How the hell does enforcing a 20 MPH limit contribute to sustainable transport?
Isn't that for things like carbon neutral buses and suchlike, or am I being dim?
Err, isn't that misappropriation?
How the hell does enforcing a 20 MPH limit contribute to sustainable transport?
Isn't that for things like carbon neutral buses and suchlike, or am I being dim?
It comes under the banner of encouraging cycling, children playing in the street, etc...
If I had confidence that they would exclude all through routes, I'd support it- Places like Clifton Village etc. but the blanket way it's been imposed on the trial areas, including stupid places like Midland Road, make me suspect it'll be used as a broad brush.
I know how the Speed Camera Pratnership love to park a van catching traffic coming DOWN Falcondale Road- blatant cash cow of a road that should be a 40mph. If those same roads become enforced 20s people are going to be losing licences very easily!
If I had confidence that they would exclude all through routes, I'd support it- Places like Clifton Village etc. but the blanket way it's been imposed on the trial areas, including stupid places like Midland Road, make me suspect it'll be used as a broad brush.
I know how the Speed Camera Pratnership love to park a van catching traffic coming DOWN Falcondale Road- blatant cash cow of a road that should be a 40mph. If those same roads become enforced 20s people are going to be losing licences very easily!
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