Beware Nottm PHers - ticketing for 33 in 30 limit

[filmidget]

That's what the wife has just received.

Caught doing a wildly reckless 33mph down London Road!

Travelling down the 4 lane wide bit alongside the canal.

She is, as you can imagine, not happy.

Neither am I come to think of it - I am F****** angry.

[PetrolTed]

How was it measured?

[Balmoral Green]

That is pathetic, no wonder you are both fuming, I am too just reading it.

[filmidget]

Only had the S172 thingy so far (stating 'exceeding the limit' or something) - she rang up the office to get further info, and they would only tell her the speed (33mph).

She remembered driving down the road, in the inside lane, in medium traffic, but doesn't remember seeing a camera van however (Hmmm - previously I have seen the van park up on the footway where it is largely shielded by some trees).

When the S172 came through the door, she couldn't understand why she should get a ticket as she thought she was sticking to the limit - but now she says she supposes she could have been doing 33mph, as she wasn't staring fixedly at the speedo every second she drove down the road IYSWIM.

Ridiculous.

[targarama]

Is the 30mph point clear on her car's speedometer? If it looks like 30mph when you're doing 29-32mph then maybe she should contest on the fact that she could not be expected to look any more closely and still keep control of the vehicle or something?

[LongQ]

Has the cost of the SPECS contract operation been increased again?

I seem to recall that the scameraship was delighted with the alleged results even though is was costing them money. If that is still the case they would need to ramp up the revenue from elsewhere to keep the funding going.

After all, that chap down in Avon who speeds past schools probably still wants as much income as possible even though he has sold the company on. As reported he is still an employee iirc.

Sounds like it is time for a suitable protest.

[LongQ]

The other idea that occurs to me is that this is part of the expansion of the Speed Awareness course thing that will rake in even more cash for 31 to 35 mph.

See what 'offer' arrives. And get the Evening Post to ask a few questions perhaps?

Maybe local PH'ers should be prepared to contribute to a defence fund?

[filmidget]

No, I think it's a clear mark.

I am very surprised she didn't see the camera van (assuming it was) - she is normally very observant (and IMO a very good driver).

Annoying thing is I know she was genuinely tries, and suceeds more than most people, to keep to speed limits - she has our 14 month old twins in the back (partly the reason for buying the big safe Volvo 740 she drives).

Maybe she should just drive the car into the back of the next ******* camera van and claim she daren't take her eyes off the speedo - I don't fancy the vans chances against teh Volvo tank

[minimax]

this is worrying.

I frequently cain off from the lights on london road, and I suppose that I would on occasion have exceeded 33mph.

as long as it's a van I always keep a look out for them but those mini gatso...

my friend got done on canal street for much the same speed a week or so ago - he's a fellow PH'er and aware of scamera issues and yet he swears he didn't see any speed enforcement in evidence - it was midnight so fairly quiet...

[Balmoral Green]

The worst part about all of this, and to me it is highly offensive. None of this is about road safety, they really couldnt give a flying about road safety. If it was about road safety they would focus on the 93% of accidents that happen below the speed limit and not the 7% that happen above the speed limit.

Ticketed for 40mph, fair enough, but 33mph? what a bunch of s.

>> Edited by Balmoral Green on Monday 23 May 17:17

[EmmaP]

Sh!t. I feel bad for not having said something. Two of my friends have been caught doing 35MPH in the past month. It is a 30MPH zone though and my friends though that it was a 40MPH zone. They were caught on mobile cameras. I think that this is somewhat harsh if your wife was doing 33MPH. So much for 10% leaway

>> Edited by EmmaP on Tuesday 24th May 00:56

[The Undertaker]

Yup, whatever happened to the 10% + 2mph
hmmmmmmmm discretion a thing of the past in Notts then ???
Obviously said scamera operator,being a Forest Fan, is still smarting from the seasons disappointment seeking to exact revenge on soft motorist tagets maybe ?
Overall, totally unacceptable I'd say. Tosers

Used to get fed up with their traffic cars in those unmarked Scoobys trying to get up my exhaust pipes and 'push' me along.....they still do that ??

[EmmaP]

The Undertaker said:

Used to get fed up with their traffic cars in those unmarked Scoobys trying to get up my exhaust pipes and 'push' me along.....they still do that ??

Not happened to me yet.

[LongQ]

The Undertaker said:

Yup, whatever happened to the 10% + 2mph hmmmmmmmm discretion a thing of the past in Notts then ??? Obviously said scamera operator,being a Forest Fan, is still smarting from the seasons disappointment seeking to exact revenge on soft motorist tagets maybe ? Overall, totally unacceptable I'd say. Tosers Used to get fed up with their traffic cars in those unmarked Scoobys trying to get up my exhaust pipes and 'push' me along.....they still do that ??

I vaguely recall hearing a story that the Scooby had been nicked from a workshop location when it was in for a service.

Might be wrong.

Derbyshire are using a dark silver grey Volvo S40t - saw it on the A50 a week or so ago. I guess the Omegas were getting long in the tooth, though they may still be around. Not seen recently though.

[judas]

I don't have cause to go down London Road very often, and the times I do I consider myself lucky to get above 10mph. But if I had an NIP for 33mph I would demand my day in court and let them try to explain it to the magistrate.

If this is about road safety then I'm the pope. All this is about is brow-beating people into submission and getting us used to a police state.

Absolute cts.

[EmmaP]

Well we all know it's got f' all to do with road safety. Not sure what they are trying to achieve convicting people for this sort of traffic offence. Given the high level of violent crimes in the city, their time and efforts could be far better spent.

[filmidget]

judas said:

...But if I had an NIP for 33mph I would demand my day in court and let them try to explain it to the magistrate...

I know what you mean, but day in court to say what?

To dispute the speed? They will just produce the photo and that's that

To say to magistrate "Oi, that's not fair?" Can't see that working... Beraing in mind this is the rabidly anti-car City Council, and no doubt the case would be at the City Magistrates Court...

And we just can't risk the gits upping it to 4 (or more) points, and to be quite honest as a single income family with young twins, a £60 fine is significant, and anything more would be tricky to pay.

And I would rather put the money to a jammer - something I never considered necessary, or possibly even 'fair play', before but now seems like the only way for more wife to keep her license.

judas said:

Absolute cts.

Agreed. The next day I saw what I thought was a scamera van, and felt heat rate increase and adrenaline pump - for a split second I really considered doing something very very silly, that's how much this feeling of anger and injustice has got to me. Sad (and dispointing to myself), but true.

[cirvy]

I feel for you, i've been done on London rd & it makes me fume! I have been driving up & down that road many times a week for the past 12 years, & not once seen an accident, the police know its easy pickings.

I would argue on the basis that the tolerances at that level are too tight. I've just tested my Alfa, & its 3.5mph out at 40mph, give 'em some stick & get letters in to Notts Eve Post, i'll even write some

[minimax]

EmmaP said:

The Undertaker said: Used to get fed up with their traffic cars in those unmarked Scoobys trying to get up my exhaust pipes and 'push' me along.....they still do that ?? Not happened to me yet.

I overtook it on the A453 about 18 months ago IIRC heading in to nottingham (about 9 miles outside) clocked the potential for rozzers and preceeded along at a more leisurely pace (can't have overtaken at more than 65 anyway, I was in the mini)

cue: gimp boy tailgating me all the way to clifton dropping a gear and closing in on me intermittently (in a boy racer spoiling for a race sort of way) until I was fortunate enough to have to brake really hard to avoid a tossoh pulling in from of my out of the esso garage and he had to swerve to avoid me. what a loser.

lots of people locally know of traffic cars that do this, got to say this is the only time it's happened to me in nottingham

[judas]

filmidget said:

judas said: ...But if I had an NIP for 33mph I would demand my day in court and let them try to explain it to the magistrate... I know what you mean, but day in court to say what? To dispute the speed? They will just produce the photo and that's that

It's simple - you make them earn their sixty quid. Question everything beforehand, demand photos, details of exactly where the van was placed and what direction the camera was facing because you swapped drivers near that point and you need to ascertain who was driving - anything that means they have to do some work. They will drop it and move onto easier pickings likely as not.