Project S4c, save PH.1!

[_Batty_]

As some of you may remember when i was 19 i bought Ted's S4C and drove it for 12 months, only to semi retire it later on. However i've now got a few spare buttons, and am planning to re-commision it.
She was dry stored and came out today looking like this:



and after a clean:



A new battery and she turned over 5 times before firing up and running as if she was driven in yesterday
Certain things require attention though:
the hood and rollover hoop are knackered, i'll need a new one, so any ideas?
The outriggers are totally shot, again cost and places to go for this?
the engine is really tappetty, i know its a push rod engine (granada V6 untouched?) so can they be shimmed?
TIA fellas,

Matt

Edited by _Batty_ on Sunday 24th May 20:46

[clarenceboddiger]

I think the S4 has Hydraulic Tappets so they wont be shimmed, I would see how they sound once its been running a while they may just gummed up a bit and may clear once the oil has reached operating temperature a few times (or even once).

Edited by clarenceboddiger on Sunday 24th May 21:26

[Last S4]

I have been told that my S4c has hydraulic too. Apparantly an oil and filter change can quiet them down.

[tvrgit]

clarenceboddiger said:

I think the S4 has Hydraulic Tappets so they wont be shimmed, I would see how they sound once its been running a while they may just gummed up a bit and may clear once the oil has reached operating temperature a few times (or even once).

Edited by clarenceboddiger on Sunday 24th May 21:26

Not all of them have hydraulics - I adjusted one a week ago that was definitely not hydraulic.

Neither of them have shims anyway.

[Last S4]

tvrgit said:

Not all of them have hydraulics - I adjusted one a week ago that was definitely not hydraulic.

Neither of them have shims anyway.

I will need to speak to you about adjusting the hydraulic tappets - when we last spoke I believe you mentioned it was possible?

[tvrgit]

Last S4 said:

tvrgit said:

Not all of them have hydraulics - I adjusted one a week ago that was definitely not hydraulic.

Neither of them have shims anyway.

I will need to speak to you about adjusting the hydraulic tappets - when we last spoke I believe you mentioned it was possible?

Not so much adjusting, as just setting them up, because after that they are self-adjusting, but yes, it's possible.

[Last S4]

tvrgit said:

Not so much adjusting, as just setting them up, because after that they are self-adjusting, but yes, it's possible.

I have just emailed you about that and my car.

[Wiz]

Will be nice to see Teds old car back out on the road. Looks like a front end respray might be needed with all those stone chips. That can wait though, hope to see it out on the road soon Matthew.

[_Batty_]

Wiz said:

Will be nice to see Teds old car back out on the road. Looks like a front end respray might be needed with all those stone chips. That can wait though, hope to see it out on the road soon Matthew.

needs alot more than that!
outriggers are totally shot, im hoping to have them done in-situe, hood i've found a supplier for, and i have someone to do a rebuild of the old ford lump.
im expecting it to take about 12 months, as money will have to come in in dribbs and drabbs.

[bridgdav]

See if Ted wants to put some money in your ££ pot - to get the car back on the road ship shape...

Good Luck

[Chris71]

That S4C is effectively the genesis of PH is it not? Without that car none of us would be here...

We'd probably be doing some work instead.

On a serious note, I believe the site originated from an S-Series website, presumably sparked by that very car?

[heightswitch]

tvrgit said:

Last S4 said:

tvrgit said:

Not all of them have hydraulics - I adjusted one a week ago that was definitely not hydraulic.

Neither of them have shims anyway.

I will need to speak to you about adjusting the hydraulic tappets - when we last spoke I believe you mentioned it was possible?

Not so much adjusting, as just setting them up, because after that they are self-adjusting, but yes, it's possible.

Now I may be wrong here and the old cologne lump may have changed over the years but once upon a time I had a 2.3 Cortina with the same albeit smaller displacement cologne engine.

From memory the fault with rattly tappets always used to be inherant in the design. The rocker arms under the valve covers were adjusted by means of a pitch thread adjuster. IE No lock nuts as such but a threaded screw that was an interference fit in the rocker arm

I used to adjust tappets every couple of months because the bathing in oil used to always allow the adjusters to rattle slack needing adjustment.

I would think that unless some massive engineering changes were made to the engine that this arrangement would still be in place albeit augmented with hydraulic followers.

tappet adjustment was always a simple job 12 though inlet 14thou exhaust rings a bell for some reason but don't quote me.

N.

[dougc]

bridgdav said:

See if Ted wants to put some money in your ££ pot - to get the car back on the road ship shape...

Good Luck

Good idea! Once its finished, we could have a website competition to win it!

Errrrr...

[_Batty_]

Chris71 said:

That S4C is effectively the genesis of PH is it not? Without that car none of us would be here...
On a serious note, I believe the site originated from an S-Series website, presumably sparked by that very car?

correcto!

[clarenceboddiger]

tvrgit said:

clarenceboddiger said:

I think the S4 has Hydraulic Tappets so they wont be shimmed, I would see how they sound once its been running a while they may just gummed up a bit and may clear once the oil has reached operating temperature a few times (or even once).

Edited by clarenceboddiger on Sunday 24th May 21:26

Not all of them have hydraulics - I adjusted one a week ago that was definitely not hydraulic.

Neither of them have shims anyway.

I wonder why Ford ran concurrent production of this engine with and without Hydraulic tappets from 1986-1993, I would have thought hydraulic versions would have been later engines and as such an evolved version of the std set up?