Targa roof to window seal.

[lewdon]

I have just recovered my targa panels. At first I re-used the old seals but then decided to get some new girl on a bicycle seals from TVR Parts
From looking at my old seals it appears that one of the girls pigtails is pressed against her body to make the wheel of her bicycle slope upwards.
On mine neither one appears to be glued. I have attached a photo I took before starting the job.
Question is,- was this pigtail originally glued to the body (and the glue has disappeared over the years), or is it just distorted by the window pressing against it for thirty years ?
Can I ask anyone who has fitted new seals. Did you glue the pigtail down, and if you did, did you glue it before or after fixing the seal to the roof panel?.
Any advice gratefully received.
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[lewdon]

comparison

Edited by lewdon on Thursday 29th October 09:41

[Oldred_V8S]

Contact Powers Performance, they managed to unearth a reel of the stuff they didn't know they had when I was there.

[phillpot]

Oldred_V8S said:

Contact Powers Performance, they managed to unearth a reel of the stuff they didn't know they had when I was there.

Think TVR Parts have also found some or had it made?

Mine is like this . . . . . . Ignore that, it's wrong ..... that's trying to be clever and do it from memory

Edited by phillpot on Monday 2nd November 16:48

[magpies]

phillpot said:

Think TVR Parts have also found some or had it made?

Mine is like this . . . . . .

Mike
can you draw in the door window please.

[phillpot]

magpies said:

Mike
can you draw in the door window please.

Lets try some photo's, finger is roughly where the glass comes up, not saying they're right

Edited by phillpot on Monday 2nd November 17:17

[magpies]

Cheers Mike

neither of the two sets of targa panels have those seals.

[lewdon]

Thanks for the photos Phillpot.
when you close the door with the window up does the glass slide under the wheel of her bicycle or does it fold it in behind the glass, I'll take some photos of mine tomorrow, with the pram hood down, to clarify the question.

[lewdon]

Just to close out this question. The problem is that when closing the door, with the window up, the glass folds the girl on a bicycle seal down wards. Photo 1.
As supplied there appears to be no way to get the wheel on her bicycle close enough to the stitched edge of the targa panel for the glass to go underneath.
So I tried a number of variations with short pieces of seal and the only way I found to get it to fit properly was to glue one of the pigtails to the body in advance before fitting the seal. Photo 2.
It is then possible to fit the seal tight under the stitched edge, so that the glass passes under it. Photo 3.
So seal finally installed as per photo 4. Tested with a watering can and appears watertight. So far so good.

[lewdon]

photo 2.

[lewdon]

photo 3

[lewdon]

photo 4

[magpies]

where did you find a supplier for the seal?

[lewdon]

https://tvr-parts.com


TVR Parts Limited

Unit 19
Caker Stream Road
Mill Lane Industrial Estate
Alton
Hampshire, GU34 2QF

03333 237877

it cost me £28.62 for 2 metres including postage. (£7.95 a metre x 2, plus £7.95 standard postage, all plus VAT)

[88S1]

Is this seal the same on all S models??

[phillpot]

88S1 said:

Is this seal the same on all S models??

To the best of my knowledge, yes.


Until quite recently this profile was unobtanium, I think Racetech 'found' a roll in the depths of their stores and TVR Parts had some re-manufactured?

While it was not available there was talk and suggestions of using the later profile that TVR used on Chimaera and Griffith. This slides into an alluminium channel pop riveted to the roof panel.
Despite all the talk I don't recall anyone posting any photo's of it actually used on an S?

Edited by phillpot on Monday 9th November 10:17

[88S1]

Thanks. I’ll have to have a look and see what condition mine are in. Under the pile of parts at the moment.

[Penelope Stopit]

lewdon said:

I have just recovered my targa panels. At first I re-used the old seals but then decided to get some new girl on a bicycle seals from TVR Parts
From looking at my old seals it appears that one of the girls pigtails is pressed against her body to make the wheel of her bicycle slope upwards.
On mine neither one appears to be glued. I have attached a photo I took before starting the job.
Question is,- was this pigtail originally glued to the body (and the glue has disappeared over the years), or is it just distorted by the window pressing against it for thirty years ?
Can I ask anyone who has fitted new seals. Did you glue the pigtail down, and if you did, did you glue it before or after fixing the seal to the roof panel?.
Any advice gratefully received.

Windows dropper circuit, obviously the vehicle must have electric windows

Below is a circuit and explanation of operation that will overcome any window catching seal problems, it was drawn for someone over at the Wedge forum

Yes, know that you might not be interested but....

Here is a link to the original topic https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

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Before going through the procedure for using this set-up, I have added an interior button for the driver to be able to drop the window before opening the door without having to turn the ignition key to Aux position so as to be able to drop the window with the original TVR switch

The operation/procedure for using this Dropper/Lifter circuit is as follows

1) Door in unlocked position - Drop the window to clear the Targa Top and exit vehicle
2) Close and lock door with key
3) Operate the Drop/Lift Button - Window Lifts (Will be posting some options for the button/other methods later)

Go shopping or on the piss whatever
On returning to vehicle

4) Unlock door with key
5) Operate the Drop/Lift Button - Window Drops
6) Open door and in you get

[lewdon]

Penelope Stopit said:

Windows dropper circuit, obviously the vehicle must have electric windows
Below is a circuit and explanation of operation that will overcome any window catching seal problems,

Thank you and much appreciated, but I'm afraid it's a bit too complex for me, ( I'm with Barnes Wallace "Simplicate and add lightness") and the glue works ok at the moment.

Edited by lewdon on Wednesday 11th November 21:36

[Oldred_V8S]

lewdon said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Windows dropper circuit, obviously the vehicle must have electric windows
Below is a circuit and explanation of operation that will overcome any window catching seal problems,

Thank you and much appreciated, but I'm afraid it's a bit too complex for me, ( I'm with Barnes Wallace "Simplicate and add lightness") and the glue works ok at the moment.

Edited by lewdon on Wednesday 11th November 21:36

Typical Penelope Stopit solution I'm afraid, Rather than resolve the root cause of a problem, just throw a complex circuit and a ton of relays at it. We've had a few on here over the years.
Simplest is best every time.