TPS question

TPS question

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SteveOS3

Original Poster:

494 posts

198 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Hi all.

I got very close to the emission limit during the last MOT and thought I'd try the ECU reset as a first step before getting them checked again.

I've done this a few times before and it seems to clear the problem but then they creep back up again. It also seems to cure the intermittent misfire when pootling along at low throttle.

The only problem this time is that the engine dies when the TPS is disconnected, it won't start without it either.

As the old one has been on since before I got the car in 2008, I was thinking of getting a new one anyway here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MG-MGZR-105-120-Acceler...

But before going ahead could there be another problem as to why it won't start/idle without it?

Cheers,

Steve



O mage

229 posts

54 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Sounds like the base idle is set incorrect or more likely the tps needs backing off a tad, strange it wont start like that but it will learn incorrectly and then try its best to keep order badly in either case. Is the tps on slots to allow for adjustment?

SteveOS3

Original Poster:

494 posts

198 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Hi,

there's only one way for the throttle spindle to engage with the TPS and the TPS is in a fixed position so I guess the answer is there's no adjustment.

Steve

Adrian@

4,386 posts

289 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Check the wiring loom for a historic replacement plug/loom (about 6" away from TPS) and check that this TPS is then giving you the correct reading at idle (rather than full throttle at idle). A@

Edited by Adrian@ on Tuesday 9th June 15:08

O mage

229 posts

54 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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SteveOS3 said:
Hi,

there's only one way for the throttle spindle to engage with the TPS and the TPS is in a fixed position so I guess the answer is there's no adjustment.

Steve
Yes but i can imagine some are slightly out of tolerance on the casing ive have known them to be slotted out and adjusted to attain a correct reading at base idle.

mentall

469 posts

137 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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If it's a 2.9, with EEC-IV engine management, there's no base idle adjustment. Idle speed is managed directly by the ECU; it's part of a feedback loop, so there's no calibration of the TPS necessary.

The critical thing is that the throttle must be able to close completely, so there's no air passing through the butterflies at idle. There's a 'closed' stop on the butterfly mechanism, but this needs to be set so the butterflies don't 'snag' in the throttle bores in the closed position. It mustn't hold the throttle open, even a tiny bit. That way, the ECU can get on with its job of maintaining idle speed.

Critical factors are that the TPS has a perfectly linear action (no breaks or dead spots) and that the mechanical action from the pedal to the butterflies is smooth throughout (no snags or jerks), and the mechanism mustn't hold the throttle open at idle.

And, of course, the ISCV must operate correctly and smoothly.

Edited by mentall on Tuesday 9th June 17:18