Fuel gauge doesn't work

Fuel gauge doesn't work

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thomastvr

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41 posts

93 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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Hi there TVR people,

Can anyone tell me why the fuelgauge is stuck to zero?

I've checked the wiring on the back of the gauge and everything seemed to be connected properly.

Please Advice biggrin


Thomas

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

116 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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You should have a + on one side of the gauge from the voltage stabiliser (I think it regulates the voltage to around 11/12Volt, check this as I am not 100% sure) and also a negative from the fuel tank sender unit and that can be shorted to earth to check for full swing of the gauge needle
If you have both + and - at the gauge yet it doesnt work, the gauge is faulty

phillpot

17,279 posts

190 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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S Series doesn't have a voltage regulator.

If you can find the fuel tank sender unit ( behind left rear wheel), pull both wires off and touch together... gauge should go to full.

GreenV8S

30,481 posts

291 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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I'd suspect the wiring first and the sender second. The wiring to the sender is pretty exposed in the wheel arch, and the sender uses a crude mechanical potentiometer which can wear out.

If the sender and its connections look sound consider whether the alarm may be interfering. I don't know how widespread it is, but I've seen alarm installations where the immobiliser intercepts the circuit to the fuel gauge as well as disabling the ignition.

phillpot

17,279 posts

190 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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GreenV8S said:
I've seen alarm installations where the immobiliser intercepts the circuit to the fuel gauge as well as disabling the ignition.
Fuel gauge ???

fuel pump would seem a better idea !

GreenV8S

30,481 posts

291 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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phillpot said:
Fuel gauge ???
Perhaps the idea was to convince any would-be thieves that it was out of fuel to discourage them from trying to hotwire it, but that's only a guess.

Alan Whitaker

2,054 posts

189 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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I did have a fuel gauge some ware, I was offering it for free some months ago, no takers so it might have gone in the bin, will look in the morning

phillpot

17,279 posts

190 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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Alan Whitaker said:
I was offering it for free some months ago, no takers
I obviously missed that one!!!!

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

116 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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Please ignore the following part of my above post

from the voltage stabiliser (I think it regulates the voltage to around 11/12Volt, check this as I am not 100% sure)
Apparently the voltage to the gauges is not regulated

phillpot

17,279 posts

190 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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Generic drawing but "near as damn it" this is what you've got...............




the gauge only needs an earth for the lamp to work.

v8s4me

7,264 posts

226 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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If touching the wires together as per Phillpot above makes the gauge work then it could possibly be the sender. At the Practical Classics show the other week I saw an 'S' gauge labeled "MG Midget post 1972". Only £20 from memory so maybe check out that alternative. This is assuming you have the two wire/three terminal type like this...


Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

116 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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phillpot said:
Generic drawing but "near as damn it" this is what you've got...............

Great post, I love these sort of drawings as I find they show circuits in a very clear way

TVRees

1,085 posts

119 months

Saturday 15th April 2017
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This might be helpful, if it's the sender.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

greymrj

3,317 posts

211 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Totally agree that the first thing to do is check wiring at the sender. Jack up and remove left rear wheel (can be done with wheel on but difficult to be sure so take the wheel off and get it right!). Sender is in the side of the fuel tank. First clean both connectors carefully and ensure there is good contact with the sender terminals, test to see if the gauge starts. If it does then waxoyl and protect the connectors.
If not, disconnect the coloured wire (should be green with a black tracer but may have been changed) and earth it to the black wire. If the fuel gauge works then the sender is suspect. But you cannot yet rule out a wiring problem.
Connect a bit of wire to the coloured connector and earth this direct to chassis (a clean point like the fuel pump mounting bolt). If the gauge works the problem is the earth wire from chassis to sender. That wire is very vulnerable and connects to a stud on the top left of the chassis. Clean up, used serrated washers for electricalk contact and waxoyl over.
If none of that works then next check wire from sender to gauge using a continuity tester, that wire goes in to the boot and into the main loom.

If you have to replace the sender please check on further advice on PH posts. It is easy to get a sender to fit the housing on the tank (Car Builder Solutions do one but other items will fit), the issue is to get the arm inside the tank right! Most are too long and there is a baffle in the tank that they hit, or the angle of the arm needs to be changed or the reading will only work through part of the range. I did put dimensions on a post.

v8s4me

7,264 posts

226 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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greymrj said:
...... Most are too long and there is a baffle in the tank that they hit, or the angle of the arm needs to be changed or the reading will only work through part of the range.....
If you can use the Land Rover/Midget part you can swap the arms over simply by unclipping them.

Barry S1

1,709 posts

196 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Garytooms

26 posts

76 months

Wednesday 1st September 2021
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Funny that as mine now reads full all the time any ideas please.

Gary

GreenV8S

30,481 posts

291 months

Wednesday 1st September 2021
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Showing full implies the gauge output to the sender is being grounded. Disconnect at the sender and see whether the gauge shows empty. If it does, the problem is in the sender; if it doesn't, the wire is shorted to ground or you have a faulty gauge. If you have somebody with enough elbows you could disconnect it at the gauge to find which is the case.

88S1

715 posts

68 months

Wednesday 1st September 2021
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I was looking for one a few weeks ago for my S1, not tested my old one yet or bought a new one, here’s an picture of the old one and the closest I could find that looked the same, though the tube is longer than my original. Hopefully of some help.





Edited by 88S1 on Wednesday 1st September 22:00