Cokin X-Pro
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tinman0

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18,231 posts

269 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Might treat myself in a few months and move up to Cokin X-Pro (from P?). But I've read about Lee - do they make an equivalent or do their filters fit the X-Pro frame?

And also, why is there a huge differential in prices - eg the adapter ring for say 77mm in P is 12quid and X-Pro is 40quid! Thread is the same, so it's just an extra wide rim for 30quid more!

Is that right?

If anyone is wondering why I want to move up it's because I'm getting pissed off having a nice UWA that vignettes at anything under 12.5mm. What's the point of a nice lens if you can't use it?

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Lee's normal filters and Cokin's Z-Pro filters are 100mm wide (P series are 85mm wide). I think this is the more popular size and with an appropriate holder is large enough for most wide lenses.

Cokin's X-Pro are 130mm. Lee make a selection of filters in this size (but no holder of their own), plus I think you can special-order others.

As for why the hardware is disproportionately more expensive for the larger sizes, I'm not sure. People are obviously willing to pay it though; Lee can't make their products fast enough to keep up with demand.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

283 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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I doubt cokin sell many x-pro bits either.

I hope those filters are better quality than the P's too.

tinman0

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269 months

Wednesday 4th May 2011
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£300 for a polarizer. Gulp.

RobDickinson

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283 months

Wednesday 4th May 2011
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Would the Lee 100mm stuff do? 100mm is plenty for normal wide angles? 130mm is huge - most lenses that require that have drop in filters.

hmm why dont people make UWA's with drop ins...

tinman0

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Wednesday 4th May 2011
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going to measure up 100mm in the morning and I'll report back.

SamHH

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245 months

Wednesday 4th May 2011
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tinman0 said:
going to measure up 100mm in the morning and I'll report back.
If you're talking about whether it'll vignette, it's not just the size of the filters, it's about how far in front of the lens the holder sticks out. You can get special wide-angle adapters that get the holder as close to the front of the lens as possible and holders that reverse or have removable slots so that nothing protrudes in front of the foremost filter.

As well as Cokin and Lee, Formatt also make 100mm filters and holders.

tinman0

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Wednesday 4th May 2011
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SamHH said:
tinman0 said:
going to measure up 100mm in the morning and I'll report back.
If you're talking about whether it'll vignette, it's not just the size of the filters, it's about how far in front of the lens the holder sticks out. You can get special wide-angle adapters that get the holder as close to the front of the lens as possible and holders that reverse or have removable slots so that nothing protrudes in front of the foremost filter.

As well as Cokin and Lee, Formatt also make 100mm filters and holders.
Yeah, already have the UWA holder for P series. Put a circular polariser in that and I vignette up to about 13mm, which annoying. Even without a polariser in place I'm losing 11-12mm on the holder.

A friend has noted that blutac might get me round the holder with normal grad ND8 problem. But it would be nice to get a polariser in play as well.

Was wondering if I could put an adapter ring 77-82mm on and get a larger polariser, but it's not enough to clear the vignette either.

JABB

3,609 posts

265 months

Wednesday 4th May 2011
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I was in Morris Photographic the other day and the chap was saying Cokin are in trouble and are not shipping anything out to their customers. He wasn't holding out for his order

RobDickinson

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283 months

Wednesday 4th May 2011
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hmm teamwork photo have just sent me some 100mm nd's by mistake , should have been 85's. Everything else I have is 85...

tinman0

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Thursday 5th May 2011
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RobDickinson said:
hmm teamwork photo have just sent me some 100mm nd's by mistake , should have been 85's. Everything else I have is 85...
Sucks to be you!

(Wish people sent me useful things I don't need hehe)

dblack1

230 posts

190 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Go with Lee, glass vs plastic... id pick glass... real ND vs gray... id pick real ND... that's just me though. In the defense of anybody who has either of these setups, I haven't/ don't plan on owning either of them (I own a cheaper cokin system) because of price vs how much ill use it.

RobDickinson

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283 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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tinman0 said:
RobDickinson said:
hmm teamwork photo have just sent me some 100mm nd's by mistake , should have been 85's. Everything else I have is 85...
Sucks to be you!

(Wish people sent me useful things I don't need hehe)
Thing is 100mm ND's arnt a lot of use to me unless I spend yet more money on filter holders etc... And I've just bought a new bunch of 85's

tinman0

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269 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Had a play on Z-Pro filters this evening and they do clear the 11mm (but only just), so I might head for that in the coming year.

No idea how I'll solve the polarizer though. Aren't there two types of polarizer?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

283 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Theres circular and liniar but you want circular, dont worry about how it works , for modern af/metering liniar isnt ok.