Wildlife Photographer of the Year - Title Stripped!
Wildlife Photographer of the Year - Title Stripped!
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BMWBen

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4,906 posts

231 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8470962.stm

Can't believe this, went to see the selected shots a couple of months ago and was amazed by this one and the lengths that he apparently went to to get the shot.

Not sure how they could deduce it was a set-up really...

Simpo Two

92,829 posts

295 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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It can't be proved but perhaps he mentioned it carelessly on a forum?

But then that would be proof.

Hmm.

Some new info must have come to light to make the judges think again.



(Bet the BBC don't hand back the copyright though)

GetCarter

31,267 posts

309 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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Something must have tipped them off


d1d215

266 posts

205 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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whaaaat !!! common !

Pvapour

8,981 posts

283 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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saw the display at London Natural History museum with my Dad, we were both blown away by this shot and both jeered it must be set up (jokingly)

they had an amazing interactive display where you could email yourself copies of the shots cool

Edited by Pvapour on Wednesday 20th January 18:14

BMWBen

Original Poster:

4,906 posts

231 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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Pvapour said:
saw the display at London Natural History museum with my Dad, we were both blown away by this shot and both jeered it must be set up (jokingly)

they had an amazing interactive display where you could email yourself copies of the shots cool

Edited by Pvapour on Wednesday 20th January 18:14
Well, same here. my first thought was... "how the fk?"

But then I read a bit about it and it seemed plausible.

olimeads

3,927 posts

218 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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i didnt read the story fully, but i did read about this a few weeks ago. it was believed the fox was stuffed or tame, as a fox wouldnt jump over the gate they would go through the gap at the bottom to keep unseen.

Still a crackin shot.

oli

Simpo Two

92,829 posts

295 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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fking big fox!





Hey, that was weird - when I hit refresh to check my post I saw 'stevecarter.com' in the status bar..

Edited by Simpo Two on Wednesday 20th January 21:30

_dobbo_

14,619 posts

278 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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Simpo Two said:
Hey, that was weird - when I hit refresh to check my post I saw 'stevecarter.com' in the status bar..
That's because it was loading the image Steve posted showing off his photoshop skills.

As to the photo - I did wonder whether a Wolf would jump a gate in such a way, but being no expert in Wolf behaviour I just assumed it was legit!

smile

delboy735

1,656 posts

232 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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http://www.suomenluonto.fi/bbcs-nature-photo-compe...

Some interesting comparisons here, but nothing conclusive really.

SirClarke

633 posts

206 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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Wolves do vary a huge amount in colouration and patterning etc and those two do look quite remarkably similar.

I think the suggestion originally was that a wild wolf would have no reason to jump the gate and would likely pass straight through the gaps (the quicker, safer and less exposed option). Also that the gate was rather conveniently fairytale like and photogenic for a random gate in a field in a poor rural part of Spain.

Then someone started looking for tame wolves in the area and found that one and they do look the same/are the same. Shame as it's clearly a nicely composed and balanced shot.

This will all raise the profile of the competition even more though which is a good thing smile

idlewillo

1,224 posts

239 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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Fake or not its a stunning photo which i think is amazing

BMWBen

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4,906 posts

231 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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delboy735 said:
http://www.suomenluonto.fi/bbcs-nature-photo-compe...

Some interesting comparisons here, but nothing conclusive really.
Hmmmmm, quite interesting. The wolf comparison is not conclusive, and I don't think it has the same proportions facially.

The gate location is interesting - anyone with a decent copy of the photo and photoshop could ramp up the brightness and see if they can identify the two straight trees to the left of the suspicously similar curved one in the middle distance.


Nero601

1,566 posts

226 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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GetCarter said:
Something must have tipped them off

rofl nice one GC

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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Nero601 said:
GetCarter said:
Something must have tipped them off

rofl nice one GC
That deserves another rofl

10JH

2,070 posts

224 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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I think what the experts thought is that the wolf would have no reason to jump the gate, like someone said, it could fit through the slats.

Dogsey

4,301 posts

260 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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BMWBen said:
delboy735 said:
http://www.suomenluonto.fi/bbcs-nature-photo-compe...

Some interesting comparisons here, but nothing conclusive really.
Hmmmmm, quite interesting. The wolf comparison is not conclusive, and I don't think it has the same proportions facially.

The gate location is interesting - anyone with a decent copy of the photo and photoshop could ramp up the brightness and see if they can identify the two straight trees to the left of the suspicously similar curved one in the middle distance.
While it's not conclusive (although facial proportions are diffcult to compare as one photo has winter coat and the other summer), the fact that the two wolves seem fairly similar coupled with the fact that the captive wolf is in a similar area to the photographer, that the background seems very similar and that, as others have pointed out, jumping the gate would not appear to be natural behaviour does suggest that it was a staged shot.

beano500

20,854 posts

305 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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I think the gate looks a bit iffy, myself.

I don't think it's a completely wild gate.

Hugo a Gogo

23,437 posts

263 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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beano500 said:
I think the gate looks a bit iffy, myself.

I don't think it's a completely wild gate.
has he committed an off-fence?

beano500

20,854 posts

305 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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Clearly - cos it's been barred.