Sony Alpha zoom lenses - beercan or sigma/tamron?
Sony Alpha zoom lenses - beercan or sigma/tamron?
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Chimple

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137 posts

254 months

Thursday 3rd December 2009
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Morning,

I'm considering which lens to get next, and was wondering if anybody had any experience with both a beercan and a tamron/sigma with a similar zoom (Something like a Tamron 70-300mm f4-5.6 Di LD)?

Is the beercan likely to produce better images, or will a newer but cheaper lens be better idea?

Cheers!

rasputin

1,449 posts

236 months

Thursday 3rd December 2009
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First thing first - not the Sigma 70-300mm. There are several versions of this - do not get any.

Sony Alpha has "high torque" autofocus motor, Sigma 70-300mm has plastic focus gears. Put them together and you strip the gears.
It happened to mine after 2 weeks, and Google reveals plenty of other cases.

Beercan - seems like a nice lens, but only goes to 210mm, and they're far too expensive. The going price seems to be around £130 now.

For the same money - I'd get a Tamron 70-300mm. The alternative is the Sony 70-300mm, but it's more expensive and neither of these are supposed to have great image quality. They're probably good enough though, and the Tamron does 1:2 "macro" which is quite handy.

Ian_T

258 posts

241 months

Thursday 3rd December 2009
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I had a Tamron with my Alpha.. decent enough lens I thought.

onomatopoeia

3,526 posts

247 months

Thursday 3rd December 2009
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Get the beercan, in the cheapy telephoto zoom stakes it is the clear winner. It's also build like a tank and constant f/4 is a nice thing to have.

Jessops list the Tamron 70-300 at £149, you can get a good beercan for less than that (mine, to start with hehe )

If you want new then the Tamron 55-200 is a nicer lens than the 70-300 IMO and also cheaper, WHX have it at £105. No experience of Sigma in that range.

Have a look at the dyxum lens database, if you haven't already.

rasputin

1,449 posts

236 months

Thursday 3rd December 2009
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£129.00 for the Tamron 70-300mm at Warehouse Express

Beercan may give slightly better quality images, but the Tamron is only 1 stop slower at 300mm than the beercan is at 210mm.
I'd rather have that, than pay the same amount for a very old second hand lens that may have wear/dust/fungus.
Plus 1:2 macro at 300mm is good fun. You can keep way back from insects so you don't scare them smile

I think the fascination with the beercan is only because it used to be cheap. It's not any more!

Skodaku

1,805 posts

249 months

Friday 4th December 2009
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I have a Sony 18-250 on my Alpha a300. About mid-range in price, I guess, and it does a sufficiently good job for my humble needs.

Chimple

Original Poster:

137 posts

254 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Thanks for all the input, I didn't realise that the Sigma had such problems!

I did initially consider getting a beercan, but I thought that they were quite expensive for an old lens.

I'll have a look at that website and browse a little.

Thanks again! smile

sgrimshaw

7,587 posts

280 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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I have the Beercan which is a cracking lens, if you can find one at the right price.

I also have the Tamron 28-300 which I bought as a "walkaround" lens for a trip to China.

The Tamron was used most of the time, with a 50mm f1.7 being useful for indoor shots in museums etc.

tonyvid

9,889 posts

273 months

Tuesday 8th December 2009
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I've seen references to this Beercan before - which lens is it exactly?

sgrimshaw

7,587 posts

280 months

Tuesday 8th December 2009
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tonyvid said:
I've seen references to this Beercan before - which lens is it exactly?
It is the Minolta AF 70-210 F4.

Full details here : http://www.dyxum.com/lenses/detail.asp?IDLens=48



Sometimes you may find reference to the Baby Beercan and the Big Beercan which are the Minolta AF 35-70 F4 and AF 75-300 F4.5-5.6 respectively.

Edited by sgrimshaw on Tuesday 8th December 16:05

tonyvid

9,889 posts

273 months

Tuesday 8th December 2009
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Ahh, I have one of those biggrin

I also have a lot of the other really serious lenses of that era that came my way for free....which is why I had a 5Xi, Dynax7, 7D and now a A700. It's fantastic quality glass on a DX sensor.

sgrimshaw

7,587 posts

280 months

Tuesday 8th December 2009
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Lucky chap.


rasputin

1,449 posts

236 months

Tuesday 8th December 2009
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I have put my money where my mouth is, and have a Tamron 70-300mm on its way to me smile. £80 used, less than a year old.

So that's at least £40 less than the going rate for a much older beercan, and it has an extra 90mm and 1:2 "macro".

Also, been reading up: It has a maximum of f/4 from 70mm to 135mm, and f/4.5 between 135mm and 210mm - so almost identical to the beercan.
It only becomes f/5.6 in the last 20mm of focal length, between 280mm and 300mm.

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Chimple

Original Poster:

137 posts

254 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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rasputin said:
I have put my money where my mouth is, and have a Tamron 70-300mm on its way to me smile. £80 used, less than a year old.

So that's at least £40 less than the going rate for a much older beercan, and it has an extra 90mm and 1:2 "macro".

Also, been reading up: It has a maximum of f/4 from 70mm to 135mm, and f/4.5 between 135mm and 210mm - so almost identical to the beercan.
It only becomes f/5.6 in the last 20mm of focal length, between 280mm and 300mm.

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That sounds good, you'll have to let us know what you think when it arrives!

sgrimshaw

7,587 posts

280 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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rasputin said:
I think the fascination with the beercan is only because it used to be cheap.
Not true.

It's certainly a lens worth having if you can afford one.

Don't be put of by it's age.

If you don't already have any of the older Minolta lenses, keep looking out for them.


clonmult

10,529 posts

239 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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I borrowed the big beercan on an evening just after getting my A200. Stopped off in the countryside to try and take some moonshots, and some other bloke stopped off doing the same thing - he lent me his beercan for a few shots, good lens.

I picked up the Sigma 70-300, and haven't had any problems with it in the two months I've been using it. The 1:2 macro is quite handy, took some lovely shots of boring flowers and bugs whilst out in the country, and took some rather nice ones of SWMBOs charm bracelet a few nights back.

tonyvid

9,889 posts

273 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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sgrimshaw said:
Lucky chap.
Lucky indeed:-

70-210mm f4 macro Beercan
28-85mm f3.5-4.5
35-105mm f3.5-4.5 macro
28-135mm f4-4.5 macro (my favourite, weighty chunk of glass though!)
24mm f2.8
16mm fisheye f2.8 (a bit odd for a dx sensor really)

They were part of kits to be used with 9000 bodies that all got damaged by water. Someone decided to junk the lot and I made a grab! You can see why I have stayed with Minolta/Sony in the face of all those Canons and Nikons, combined with my A700 they produce some fantastically sharp images. I do have some modern Sigmas that I have bought but these are very good if you don't mind the extra bit of weight.

rasputin

1,449 posts

236 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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What's the fisheye like on a crop sensor? Do you still get the fisheye effect?

tonyvid

9,889 posts

273 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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rasputin said:
What's the fisheye like on a crop sensor? Do you still get the fisheye effect?
Not so fisheye-ee, I'll do a couple of comparison shots on Sunday and put them up. smile

tonyvid

9,889 posts

273 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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Right, the first 3 are all taken from the same position to give a comparison...

28mm


24mm


16mm fisheye


16mm fisheye - same framing so closer


16mm up close and bendy



Apologies for a lack of creative subject but it was getting dark and I wanted something with straight edges biggrin