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Http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PhotoCompetition
More details from petition creator
It has become common practice for companies and organisations to run photographic competitions for the purpose of harvesting large volumes of photographs from entrants which can then be used by the competition owner and/or sponsors at no cost. These competitions rely on 1) people not reading the terms and conditions, 2) the t&c's being difficult to locate and/or 3) the wording of the t&c's being difficult to understand.
The property being harvested from vast numbers of photographers (mainly consumers) is of great value to these companies who grant themselves the right to use the images in marketing campaigns and advertising, use on products and packaging and even in some cases resale and syndication.
We call on the Prime Minister to look at this issue during the Government's current review of intellectual property law, and to examine the 'Artists Bill of Rights' promoted by the photographic organisation 'Pro-Imaging' which calls for only limited rights (such as the right to use the images to promote the competition etc) to be taken by competition organisers.
More details from petition creator
It has become common practice for companies and organisations to run photographic competitions for the purpose of harvesting large volumes of photographs from entrants which can then be used by the competition owner and/or sponsors at no cost. These competitions rely on 1) people not reading the terms and conditions, 2) the t&c's being difficult to locate and/or 3) the wording of the t&c's being difficult to understand.
The property being harvested from vast numbers of photographers (mainly consumers) is of great value to these companies who grant themselves the right to use the images in marketing campaigns and advertising, use on products and packaging and even in some cases resale and syndication.
We call on the Prime Minister to look at this issue during the Government's current review of intellectual property law, and to examine the 'Artists Bill of Rights' promoted by the photographic organisation 'Pro-Imaging' which calls for only limited rights (such as the right to use the images to promote the competition etc) to be taken by competition organisers.
trackdemon said:
These competitions rely on 1) people not reading the terms and conditions, 2) the t&c's being difficult to locate and/or 3) the wording of the t&c's being difficult to understand.
IMHO If you're not sure what they're going to do with your image, or handing over full usage rights bothers you don't enter. I'd rather the government spent time looking over things that I can't control by not entering, like taxes and inconsistencies within the road laws.The petition could've been more succinctly worded - "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to make sure that we don't have to actually read some text and decide if we're happy with the content".
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jon- said:
trackdemon said:
These competitions rely on 1) people not reading the terms and conditions, 2) the t&c's being difficult to locate and/or 3) the wording of the t&c's being difficult to understand.
IMHO If you're not sure what they're going to do with your image, or handing over full usage rights bothers you don't enter. I'd rather the government spent time looking over things that I can't control by not entering, like taxes and inconsistencies within the road laws.
trackdemon said:
I realize the petition could have been better worded, but I think most can see the point its trying to make.
If you don't want to read the terms and conditions in a contract before you sign up to it, then that's fine, but don't go crying to mummy afterwards.
Kermit power said:
trackdemon said:
I realize the petition could have been better worded, but I think most can see the point its trying to make.
If you don't want to read the terms and conditions in a contract before you sign up to it, then that's fine, but don't go crying to mummy afterwards.
it's a very unwisely worded petition as it just stinks of laziness and people screaming "it's not fair".
What they should have done was start a petition specifically noting requirements to the intellectual property laws alone.
Quick silver said:
Jon, Kermit & Davi.......here's an idea & for a change, why don't you stop analising everything for a moment & just sign the f
kin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st
They have a perfectly valid point.kin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
Quick silver said:
Jon, Kermit & Davi.......here's an idea & for a change, why don't you stop analising everything for a moment & just sign the fkin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st
I'm not going to sign it because it's bloody ridiculous! kin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st If people are too lazy or stupid to read the terms of a competition and decide whether they're willing to accept them, then they either shouldn't enter competitions full stop, or they should accept the consequences of their actions and not whine about it, not go whimpering to the government complaining that it's not fair!
It's people not analysing everything and just f
king signing it that causes this whole issue in the first place! If a few more people analysed things before they signed them, then they wouldn't need the government to protect them from their own stupidity.Quick silver said:
Jon, Kermit & Davi.......here's an idea & for a change, why don't you stop analising everything for a moment & just sign the fkin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st
Why would I sign something I feel is stupid? kin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st This is either 1 of 2 things:
1) Someone too dumb to realise the obvious implications of entering such a competition, and I'm sick of this country catering for the lowest IQ possible.
or, even worse possibly:
2) A pro tog trying to protect his income by "cleverly" wording something that should appeal to the government. If an amateur can take the shot it's probably not worth paying for, and I realise the "digital revolution" is hurting the local wedding type photographers livelihood, but there's still money for the decent guys out there.
Since getting into photography the amount of photos I've seen that I wouldn't even upload to my flickr, yet "pros" have charged people for makes me cringe, at least this "revolution" should make the "pros" up their game a little.
Anyway, I'm still not signing it. And if your s
t has bones in I'd go and see a Doctor right away as that's probably serious.Kermit power said:
Quick silver said:
Jon, Kermit & Davi.......here's an idea & for a change, why don't you stop analising everything for a moment & just sign the fkin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st
I'm not going to sign it because it's bloody ridiculous! kin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st If people are too lazy or stupid to read the terms of a competition and decide whether they're willing to accept them, then they either shouldn't enter competitions full stop, or they should accept the consequences of their actions and not whine about it, not go whimpering to the government complaining that it's not fair!
It's people not analysing everything and just f
king signing it that causes this whole issue in the first place! If a few more people analysed things before they signed them, then they wouldn't need the government to protect them from their own stupidity.k up coz not everyone is as clever as you think you are.......best if we all stopped complaing about everything - crime as well I guess?mybrain hurts said:
They have a perfectly valid point.
We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
FFS not you again......are you going to admit to being one of the con artists running those phot comp's then?We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
Quick silver said:
mybrain hurts said:
They have a perfectly valid point.
We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
FFS not you again......are you going to admit to being one of the con artists running those phot comp's then?We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
Quick silver said:
Kermit power said:
Quick silver said:
Jon, Kermit & Davi.......here's an idea & for a change, why don't you stop analising everything for a moment & just sign the fkin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st
I'm not going to sign it because it's bloody ridiculous! kin thing - I swear that you lot would pick the bones out of st If people are too lazy or stupid to read the terms of a competition and decide whether they're willing to accept them, then they either shouldn't enter competitions full stop, or they should accept the consequences of their actions and not whine about it, not go whimpering to the government complaining that it's not fair!
It's people not analysing everything and just f
king signing it that causes this whole issue in the first place! If a few more people analysed things before they signed them, then they wouldn't need the government to protect them from their own stupidity.k up coz not everyone is as clever as you think you are.......best if we all stopped complaing about everything - crime as well I guess?So basically you're saying that people should just be able to sign any contract they feel like, without even bothering to read it first, and then we the taxpayers should be expected to pay to sort it out for the poor ickle retards when they decide they don't like what they didn't bother to read?
mybrainhurts said:
Quick silver said:
mybrain hurts said:
They have a perfectly valid point.
We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
FFS not you again......are you going to admit to being one of the con artists running those phot comp's then?We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
Quick silver said:
mybrainhurts said:
Quick silver said:
mybrain hurts said:
They have a perfectly valid point.
We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
FFS not you again......are you going to admit to being one of the con artists running those phot comp's then?We're sick of the nanny state and this is asking the government to nanny us some more.
Anyone who submits his work without checking the implications only has himself to blame for consequent grief.
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