Expedition camera(s)

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polar_ben

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266 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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Righto chaps.

I'll be shopping for a new expedition camera (or two) soon, and I'd be interested in hearing some ideas...

This year I used a bog standard 2 megapixel Sony DSC-P31, which despite its weedy credentials performed pretty well. A principle reason for choosing this camera was that it took short video clips (no sound) that came out at a v. small file size - ideal for sending via satphone.

Also, it's v. easy to keep a compact camera in a pocket & whip it out while I'm skiing along.

I wouldn't call myself an expert photographer, but the photos may be used in a book, and will definitely be used to illustrate lectures etc, so quality is important.

So, do I take:

1) a newer (5 megapixel) Sony - www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/p92.html

2) the old Sony for point'n'shoot/video for satphone transmission AND take something like a Nikon D100

3) something else??


Requirements:

- MUST take AA batteries (I use lithiums, which are fine in the cold. Nikon D100 has an AA battery pack)

- should be fairly idiot proof

- reasonably durable, although the Sony survived perfectly this year

- lightweight

Over to you

simpo two

87,066 posts

272 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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Wow. Depends how much of your expedition is assigned to getting photos I think. If you want brilliant photos for publishing etc, I suppose the SLR route is best. However if you just want to travel light and keep your mind on not falling into crevasses, then a compact would be less bulk, weight and equipment.

In the compact category I was going to suggest the Olympus Mju300/400 as they are 'weatherproof' - but they don't take AA batteries.

Hence you may consider this a useless reply!

ehasler

8,567 posts

290 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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What about also taking one of those disposable cameras with you as a backup, just in case you run out of battery juice or suffer other technical problems?

polar_ben

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Friday 12th December 2003
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ehasler said:
What about also taking one of those disposable cameras with you as a backup
Yep, have done this before - results are surprisingly good & they weigh next to nothing.

Mad Dave

7,158 posts

270 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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You can get Ilford black & white disposable compacts in Jessops too, i imagine the results should be quite good as well, being Ilford.

Sorry, but I cant help on the digital camera front, I dont know much about them - im a film SLR man myself

getcarter

29,630 posts

286 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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I highly rate the D100 - I know some real idiots who get great results . When I'm on a trip I take my Nikon Digital and an Ixus V3 which does good enough for screen and fits in a small pocket.

AJ ;-)

467 posts

253 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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My digital Canon is really good (and idiot proof, yes i know it needs to be)

It has survived quite a few tumbles off my mountain bike and did really well in the murk of Snowdon last week. Not sure what model they are up to now as it is 18 months old

polar_ben

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Friday 12th December 2003
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Thanks Steve. Sounds like just the camera for me

Assuming I go for the D100, what's the best way to store three months' worth of pics - are microdrives fragile??

Also, can anyone recommend a lightweight, bombproof case?

ehasler

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290 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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The D100 doesn't use AA batteries as standard, although you can buy an extra battery pack (£250!)which takes 6 of them.

If you want indestrctible cases, then your best bet is probably Peli, although depending on how much protection you really do need, I've found Lowepro to be very good.

simpo two

87,066 posts

272 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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polar_ben said:
what's the best way to store three months' worth of pics - are microdrives fragile??


Laptop + CD/DVD writer? (How many sherpas will you have?)

ehasler

8,567 posts

290 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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polar_ben said:
Assuming I go for the D100, what's the best way to store three months' worth of pics - are microdrives fragile


It depends on how many shots you'll be taking - you can buy portable hard disks that you simply plug your memory card into to transfer your photos across, or even a portable CD burner which does the same thing. I've had a quick look on www.warehouseexpress.com, but can't see any that use AA batteries.

THe other option would just be to stock up with a few CF cards - they're solid state, so they use less juice than microdrives, and are much less fragile. The type of card you go for will obviously be dictated by the camera (or maybe the other way round!), but if you could use Compact Flash cards, you can now buy a 4GB card (for nearly £1k though!) which will give you plenty of storage.

Of course, it may be better to go for several lower capacity cards instead of one bigger one, in case you lose/damage one or it becomes corrupt, but they're very small and light so carrying a few of these shouldn't be a problem.

>> Edited by ehasler on Friday 12th December 14:04

polar_ben

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Friday 12th December 2003
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No sherpas/dogs/skidoos/etc - pulling everything myself, hence preoccupation with weight

I think I'll go with several big CF cards.

simpo two

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272 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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Think how that photographer with Shackleton managed!

polar_ben

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Friday 12th December 2003
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Indeed.

I've just spotted the Fuji FinePix S2 Pro. Any thoughts?

simpo two

87,066 posts

272 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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polar_ben said:
Indeed.
I've just spotted the Fuji FinePix S2 Pro. Any thoughts?

That's on my 'wants' list Ben - and it's a true SLR (by which I mean, somewhat incorrectly, that it has interchangeable lenses). It's essentially a Nikon and takes Nikon lenses, which is a big plus for me.
It gets rave reviews and seems to be better performance/value than the Nikon equivalent.

You'll find it at:

http://www.ephotozineshop.com/photo/digicameras/Fuji.html#s5000">www.ephotozineshop.com/index.cfm?http://www.ephotozineshop.com/photo/digicameras/Fuji.html#s5000

and a review with more info than you dream of at:
www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fuji_s2.asp

beano500

20,854 posts

282 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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Nikon build quality would be worth going for - sure, the Fuji will be good, but how many war photographers do you know that take a Fuji into a battle zone?

Sorry, but you want a make that's tried and tested in the worst conditions - otherwise it's just dead weight, right?

Alien

131 posts

257 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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I don't know about that particular model but Fuji have a very good track record of making extremely stout high-end cameras. It goes unnoticed a lot of the time because they don't really have much between the inexpensive consumer stuff and the pro stuff. They actually make a lot of gear that is sold under the Hasselblad name.

That particular camera though, IIRC uses mostly Nikon bits except for the electronics.

simpo two

87,066 posts

272 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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The only thing I don't like about the Fuji is the name. IMHO 'FinePix S2 Pro' on the front makes it look like a toy pretending to be good, which isn't the case. It should be a 'Fujica S2' and left at that.
Brand consultancy anyone?

polar_ben

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Saturday 13th December 2003
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I couldn't agree more, Simpo. "FinePix"?!

Anyhow, if I buy all this kit, would anyone be able to help out with a crash course in digital SLR photography for beginners?

Bacardi

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283 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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simpo two said:
Think how that photographer with Shackleton managed!


They were real men in those days, none of that mincing about with digital compacts. Get your self a Gandolfi and a few crates of whole plate glass negatives...... no batteries required.



Admittedly, Frank Hurley did have the Endurance to get his kit there, but later had to push it around in a lifeboat with the help of his colleagues, but still managed to produce some absolutely stunning images.

polar_ben said:


Anyhow, if I buy all this kit, would anyone be able to help out with a crash course in digital SLR photography for beginners?


Be happy too....... in return for a crash course in Polar exploration. I fancy a holiday. Or I could come along as the official expedition photographer.

Contrary to my very pro digital views elsewhere on this forum, this is one instance where I would be tempted to stick to good old, shock, horror...... film. With a nice mechanical Leica MP and a couple of lenses. It would give you better quality results for printing in a book over the digital compacts, and take the old camera for sending stuff via the satphone. The D100 and Finepix are good cameras and would give you the quality, although you can't get very wide angle views due to the focal length multiplier on either of them as they are not full frame. Not sure if that's important to you. Extra lenses are also going to be bulkier and heavier too.

Just curious, but how many batteries do you take for a 3 month trip? I guess the performance drops, so do you keep them down your double gusset, insulated Y fronts? Or can you re-charge them from a solar panel?