Canon 24-70L vs 17-85 - Proof why I'm glad I'm now broke....
Discussion
well, apart from me now being broke, Ian Kerr has delivered star service again - ordered and delivered within 2 days. My decision to buy was helped by me having a £100 off ebay voucher ;-))
Anyway, thought you may be interested in a slightly unscientific comparison between my existing lens (17-85) and my new one (24-70L). Only arrived this morning so had very little time to play but I'm already amazed by the difference in colour and sharpness between the lenses.
I hope the differences show as clearly here as they do on my screen. The 24-70 is much sharper, the colours brighter and natural. I've always felt that the images with 17-85 have been slightly 'flat'/'lifeless' and this may well just prove that I was right
Shots at 50mm and 70mm

150% crops of 50mm and 70mm images
a) 17-85@50mm - IS turned off

b) 24-70@50mm

c) 17-85@70mm - IS turned off

d) 24-70@70mm

[edited to show 50mm for 17-85 with IS turned off. 4 way grid now consistent with lengths and constant f10]
Anyway, thought you may be interested in a slightly unscientific comparison between my existing lens (17-85) and my new one (24-70L). Only arrived this morning so had very little time to play but I'm already amazed by the difference in colour and sharpness between the lenses.
I hope the differences show as clearly here as they do on my screen. The 24-70 is much sharper, the colours brighter and natural. I've always felt that the images with 17-85 have been slightly 'flat'/'lifeless' and this may well just prove that I was right

Shots at 50mm and 70mm

150% crops of 50mm and 70mm images
a) 17-85@50mm - IS turned off

b) 24-70@50mm

c) 17-85@70mm - IS turned off

d) 24-70@70mm

[edited to show 50mm for 17-85 with IS turned off. 4 way grid now consistent with lengths and constant f10]
Edited by cirks on Saturday 27th September 17:09
Apologies - now updated the images to be consistent at 50mm and at f10 throughout. Also, the one in the 4-way image is now using the 17-85 with IS turned OFF - Because the shots were taken on a tripod this has improved the image slightly.
However, for comparison purposes, this is the 17-85 with and without IS @ 150% crop of a 70mm shot.

However, for comparison purposes, this is the 17-85 with and without IS @ 150% crop of a 70mm shot.

SamHH said:
I can't tell any difference apart from the fact that the pictures taken with the 17-85mm lens look slightly brighter.
If the blue book bottom left quadrant (17-85) looks brighter than the one on the bottom right (24-70) then there's an issue with monitor display. You might have to take my word for it but the 24-70 is considerably brighter 
Edited by cirks on Saturday 27th September 19:33
cirks said:
SamHH said:
I can't tell any difference apart from the fact that the pictures taken with the 17-85mm lens look slightly brighter.
If the blue book bottom left quadrant (17-85) looks brighter than the one on the bottom right (24-70) then there's an issue with monitor display. You might have to take my word for it but the 24-70 is considerably brighter 
Edited by cirks on Saturday 27th September 19:33
cirks said:
Apologies - now updated the images to be consistent at 50mm and at f10 throughout. Also, the one in the 4-way image is now using the 17-85 with IS turned OFF - Because the shots were taken on a tripod this has improved the image slightly.
However, for comparison purposes, this is the 17-85 with and without IS @ 150% crop of a 70mm shot.

I am now as confused as others on this one!However, for comparison purposes, this is the 17-85 with and without IS @ 150% crop of a 70mm shot.

I take it the pictures above are from the old lenses (17-85), if so the photo with IS off, is better.
Now can you show is the same photo's using your new lenses?
I too, am seeing the 'old lenses’ photos, a lot clearer then with the new.
(I think: confused

17-85 is better (even more confused)
Edited by pc.iow on Saturday 27th September 21:09
pc.iow said:
I am now as confused as others on this one!
I take it the pictures above are from the old lense(17-85),if so the photo with IS off, is better.
Now can you show is the same photo's usin your new lense.
I too, am seeing the 'old lense' photo's,a lot clearer then with the new.
(i think
)
IS needs to be off if the camera is on a tripod otherwise the lens tries to compensate for movement that isn't there, hence the lack of clarity in the above shots.I take it the pictures above are from the old lense(17-85),if so the photo with IS off, is better.
Now can you show is the same photo's usin your new lense.
I too, am seeing the 'old lense' photo's,a lot clearer then with the new.
(i think
)On my calibrated monitor the images from the L lens are significantly better.
cirks said:
SamHH said:
I can't tell any difference apart from the fact that the pictures taken with the 17-85mm lens look slightly brighter.
If the blue book bottom left quadrant (17-85) looks brighter than the one on the bottom right (24-70) then there's an issue with monitor display. You might have to take my word for it but the 24-70 is considerably brighter 
Edited by cirks on Saturday 27th September 19:33
Apart from the pictures in the quadrant being darker with the old lense, they also appear to be clearer.
The test is utterly invalid sorry.
At f10 your more likely limited by diffraction, ANY lens should be of decent sharpness stopped down so much.
Shoot again with the 17-85 wide open and the 24-70 at the same aperture.
Also dont post 150% crops, that will involve some upscaling, post 100% crops.
At f10 your more likely limited by diffraction, ANY lens should be of decent sharpness stopped down so much.
Shoot again with the 17-85 wide open and the 24-70 at the same aperture.
Also dont post 150% crops, that will involve some upscaling, post 100% crops.
Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 28th September 07:23
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