Do digital cameras have a soul?
Discussion
I was pondering my old D70 and 18-70 lens this morning. It got me started in 2004, it went to NZ with me in 2005-6, I learned a lot with it, I did my first paid work with it and it's been a faithful camera throughout. And yet it's soon going to be totally redundant and I'm thinking of swapping it with an artist for one of his paintings.
Did we feel this way about film SLRs? They'd last for 10 or 20 years and became part of the family, they somehow seem more 'keepable' objects. Or is it just me?
Did we feel this way about film SLRs? They'd last for 10 or 20 years and became part of the family, they somehow seem more 'keepable' objects. Or is it just me?
Interesting topic.....
Do digital camera's have soul.....no i dont think so as a rule (as always a few exceptions will apply).
Yes they are incredible tools for taking photo's, very efficient and most of the time you are guaranteed a good shot thanks to autofocus, auto exposure, various idiot mode's etc etc etc....
Compact digital camera's are even worse, lacking the 'soul' of a DSLR due to having things like a noise in place of a proper shutter, no viewfinder etc. Again its foolproof for getting a good shot if you use it properly.
The quote from Sgirl above typifies that we have now become a 'throwaway' society.
I do use a digital SLR, a Canon 1D which i've been using for over 4 years now i. I will however never sell it because it does all i want it to, and despite packing only a paltry 4 million pixels it punches well above its weight in terms of quality.
Despite using this as my everyday tool I also have a collection of Ziess Contaflex camera's dating from the mid to late 1960's. And yes i do still use them from time to time.
Do these camera's have soul?....... Definatly yes..... There is nothing auto in sight and even on the later models the only thing that requires power from a single button battery is the light meter.
They are totally mechanical camera's though and even if the battery meter fails you can still use it. The earliest one i have is 49 years old and the newest a mere 40 years old. They all still work properly and still have super sharp Ziess optics.
I wonder how many DLSR's will still be in full working order after nearly 50 years....? None i'm guessing...!
You can hear every gear and wheel turning when you wind the film on, super smooth but a purely mechanical action. The same with the shutter, a positive action of a non mistakable mechanical shutter making a satisfying click as it fires. The contaflex's shutter though makes the most wonderful noise unlike any other film camera.
These camera's require the user to work to get the best out of it. Being German made they have a build quality and solidity that are second to none. They are heavier than a lot of todays compact DSLR's.
Anyway enough of my ramblings.... here is a picture just for comparison of my current 1D with the much earlier and rarer Contaflex S in black. Interestingly the contaflex is worth the same as the 1D !!!

Do digital camera's have soul.....no i dont think so as a rule (as always a few exceptions will apply).
Yes they are incredible tools for taking photo's, very efficient and most of the time you are guaranteed a good shot thanks to autofocus, auto exposure, various idiot mode's etc etc etc....
Compact digital camera's are even worse, lacking the 'soul' of a DSLR due to having things like a noise in place of a proper shutter, no viewfinder etc. Again its foolproof for getting a good shot if you use it properly.
The quote from Sgirl above typifies that we have now become a 'throwaway' society.
I do use a digital SLR, a Canon 1D which i've been using for over 4 years now i. I will however never sell it because it does all i want it to, and despite packing only a paltry 4 million pixels it punches well above its weight in terms of quality.
Despite using this as my everyday tool I also have a collection of Ziess Contaflex camera's dating from the mid to late 1960's. And yes i do still use them from time to time.
Do these camera's have soul?....... Definatly yes..... There is nothing auto in sight and even on the later models the only thing that requires power from a single button battery is the light meter.
They are totally mechanical camera's though and even if the battery meter fails you can still use it. The earliest one i have is 49 years old and the newest a mere 40 years old. They all still work properly and still have super sharp Ziess optics.
I wonder how many DLSR's will still be in full working order after nearly 50 years....? None i'm guessing...!
You can hear every gear and wheel turning when you wind the film on, super smooth but a purely mechanical action. The same with the shutter, a positive action of a non mistakable mechanical shutter making a satisfying click as it fires. The contaflex's shutter though makes the most wonderful noise unlike any other film camera.
These camera's require the user to work to get the best out of it. Being German made they have a build quality and solidity that are second to none. They are heavier than a lot of todays compact DSLR's.
Anyway enough of my ramblings.... here is a picture just for comparison of my current 1D with the much earlier and rarer Contaflex S in black. Interestingly the contaflex is worth the same as the 1D !!!

One should always feel free to upgrade their camera - be it an old SLR or a digital one. Just don't do it in the mistaken belief that it will give you better pictures. Some of the worst pics I've seen come from people with expensive cameras.
I think its the photographer that has the soul (and the talent), not the camera...
I think its the photographer that has the soul (and the talent), not the camera...
I've never developed any attachment to a digital camera, but if the house was burning down the hasselblad is one of the first things I'd grab on my way out.
I don't think it's the digital/analogue thing that gives it a soul, I think it's the experience of using it. Film cameras, especially MF/LF tend to be much purer experiences as there is very little between you and the photograph, the interaction with the instrument is simple and mechanical in nature and the entire process of shooting is more immersive. By contrast digital slrs and compacts are all buttons and flashing lights. I suppose for want of a better analogy it's the difference between a caterham or classic and something like an evo or subaru. All have four wheels but the experience of using them is totally different.
Matt
I don't think it's the digital/analogue thing that gives it a soul, I think it's the experience of using it. Film cameras, especially MF/LF tend to be much purer experiences as there is very little between you and the photograph, the interaction with the instrument is simple and mechanical in nature and the entire process of shooting is more immersive. By contrast digital slrs and compacts are all buttons and flashing lights. I suppose for want of a better analogy it's the difference between a caterham or classic and something like an evo or subaru. All have four wheels but the experience of using them is totally different.
Matt
le gravy noire said:
I think it's the experience of using it. Film cameras, especially MF/LF tend to be much purer experiences as there is very little between you and the photograph, the interaction with the instrument is simple and mechanical in nature and the entire process of shooting is more immersive. By contrast digital slrs and compacts are all buttons and flashing lights. I suppose for want of a better analogy it's the difference between a caterham or classic and something like an evo or subaru. All have four wheels but the experience of using them is totally different.
Yes, I think that could be it. Porsche vs TVR would be similiar.Simpo Two said:
le gravy noire said:
I think it's the experience of using it. Film cameras, especially MF/LF tend to be much purer experiences as there is very little between you and the photograph, the interaction with the instrument is simple and mechanical in nature and the entire process of shooting is more immersive. By contrast digital slrs and compacts are all buttons and flashing lights. I suppose for want of a better analogy it's the difference between a caterham or classic and something like an evo or subaru. All have four wheels but the experience of using them is totally different.
Yes, I think that could be it. Porsche vs TVR would be similiar.Simpo Two said:
le gravy noire said:
I think it's the experience of using it. Film cameras, especially MF/LF tend to be much purer experiences as there is very little between you and the photograph, the interaction with the instrument is simple and mechanical in nature and the entire process of shooting is more immersive. By contrast digital slrs and compacts are all buttons and flashing lights. I suppose for want of a better analogy it's the difference between a caterham or classic and something like an evo or subaru. All have four wheels but the experience of using them is totally different.
Yes, I think that could be it. Porsche vs TVR would be similiar.Will I feel the same way about my Nikons, not sure, I guess it depends on what we go through together. I had real pangs getting shot of the D100 but it is currently still cliking away in the hands of one of my sisters so it's still in the family as it were.
Chris
Simpo Two said:
le gravy noire said:
Surely that would be more Hasselblad vs Holga?
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a car snob.Edited by Simpo Two on Tuesday 15th July 18:46
Simpo Two said:
I was pondering my old D70 and 18-70 lens this morning. It got me started in 2004, it went to NZ with me in 2005-6, I learned a lot with it, I did my first paid work with it and it's been a faithful camera throughout. And yet it's soon going to be totally redundant and I'm thinking of swapping it with an artist for one of his paintings.
Did we feel this way about film SLRs? They'd last for 10 or 20 years and became part of the family, they somehow seem more 'keepable' objects. Or is it just me?
has anyone done the your camera has a soul joke? Not read, digital has as much soul (purlease, disappointed simpo) as any other medium. GIGO. It is no different a skill to film its just a different interpretationDid we feel this way about film SLRs? They'd last for 10 or 20 years and became part of the family, they somehow seem more 'keepable' objects. Or is it just me?
Joey Deacon said:
Simpo Two said:
I was pondering my old D70 and 18-70 lens this morning. It got me started in 2004, it went to NZ with me in 2005-6, I learned a lot with it, I did my first paid work with it and it's been a faithful camera throughout. And yet it's soon going to be totally redundant and I'm thinking of swapping it with an artist for one of his paintings.
Did we feel this way about film SLRs? They'd last for 10 or 20 years and became part of the family, they somehow seem more 'keepable' objects. Or is it just me?
has anyone done the your camera has a soul joke? Not read, digital has as much soul (purlease, disappointed simpo) as any other medium. GIGO. It is no different a skill to film its just a different interpretationDid we feel this way about film SLRs? They'd last for 10 or 20 years and became part of the family, they somehow seem more 'keepable' objects. Or is it just me?

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True, my point was just that saying "It is no different a skill to film its just a different interpretation" is not necessarily correct. As I mentioned earlier, I believe it's not the film vs. digital that is the measure of soul, it's the interaction you have with the camera that encourages you to embody a camera with that particular characteristic. 

Edited by le gravy noire on Tuesday 15th July 22:26
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