B&W portraits, looking for tips
B&W portraits, looking for tips
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Gulliver911

Original Poster:

673 posts

264 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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I find myself increasingly using exclusively black and white shots for family and friends portraits, working mostly with a fixed focal 50 mm and a Canon 350D.

Anybody has any good tips and tricks with Photoshop when working in black and white and people shots ?

Anyone wants to share some pics ?

MHT223

198 posts

238 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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I'm a relevant newcomer to DLSR (had my 350D about a year now) and its my first proper camera, so I'm learning slowly. If possible shoot in RAW as it will give you greater control over the pictures. I took these for some friends at Christmas just in my kitchen and bedroom using the spotlights in the ceiling. I poked around the internet for stances/types of photos beforehand


These pics will only be here tonight, the hosting account for them runs out tonight!







www.markandflumpy.com/griggs

Mark

GetCarter

31,300 posts

309 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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Gulliver911 said:

I find myself increasingly using exclusively black and white shots for family and friends portraits, working mostly with a fixed focal 50 mm and a Canon 350D.

Anybody has any good tips and tricks with Photoshop when working in black and white and people shots ?

Anyone wants to share some pics ?



At risk of repeating myself... I'm still not sure why people want to take photos in B&W using a DSLR.

These two portraits are both full colour and then desaturated... so I have both colour AND B&W





and as I said before... am I missing something?

Fruitcake

3,850 posts

256 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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MHT223 said:


These pics will only be here tonight, the hosting account for them runs out tonight!


No sense in letting them go to waste is there?

TinyPic comes to the rescue!






Sadly, due to some internet-based calamity, only two could be saved.

Ahh well.

nick_bbb

5,510 posts

265 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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GetCarter said:

At risk of repeating myself... I'm still not sure why people want to take photos in B&W using a DSLR.

and as I said before... am I missing something?


I don't get it either! I use different ways of making photos B&W, sometime use a gradient map instead of desaturate. Sometimes I apply a red filter over an image using multiply to simulate a red filter as used with B&W film























Edited by nick_bbb on Monday 22 January 20:23

Andy M

3,755 posts

289 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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I'm crap with B&W - I either go too dark and contrasty, or too light.








I'm currently trying to find that happy medium - alike the look many wedding photographers achieve

Iria

854 posts

282 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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This is done with the wonders of Picasa - original photos in crappy colour with crappy camera. It is a very easy programme to tamper photos with, photo-dummy friendly and what is even better... free.



and also these two taken by Mannginger, played with by me, as you can see I have overdone the "warming" up of the colours and the shadow / white areas contrast, but that is personal taste.





poah

2,142 posts

258 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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I use channel mixer and generally piss about till I like it



RobDickinson

31,343 posts

284 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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Dont think the OP was talking about actualy shooting in B&W were they? That'd be a bit daft.

Shoot in RAW for the extra detail (12bit over 8 bit) & post process to B&W typicaly with desaturate.

Can push the shadows & highlites a little to give more contrast.

cirks

2,549 posts

313 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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I agree - shoot in colour then play with different conversion techniques. Without the colour version, at least one of these wouldn't easily have been possible! (p.s I'm not suggesting these are the best B&W portraits but I like them !)





Andy M

3,755 posts

289 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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Cirks - there's something wrong with your resized images. They look very choppy, and bitty on my screen?

I recall your first image to be a real cracker, but it doesn't look too good here.

GetCarter

31,300 posts

309 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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...seen a few in here recently with camera's set to B&W.

a bit like having a low ratio gearbox on a Caterham.

cirks

2,549 posts

313 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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Andy M said:
Cirks - there's something wrong with your resized images. They look very choppy, and bitty on my screen?
I recall your first image to be a real cracker, but it doesn't look too good here.


They didn't look great here either!! It might just be me doing too quick a "Save for web" in Elements and me not reading what setting it was on

[edited to say I've now put them on a better jpg conversion than 'low' ....oops. The conversions are rapid ones of jpgs rather than the original RAWs]



Edited by cirks on Monday 22 January 22:04

tank slapper

7,949 posts

313 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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I think that there is a different thought process when taking black and white. The contrast of the scene becomes more important than the colours obviously, so something with lots of vibrant colour may look flat or boring in B&W, and something bland in colour may be striking in black and white. For portraits this obviously has a bearing on what you include in the image.

If your subject doesn't have particularly flattering skin, or has a few pimples, use an orange or red filter as this reduces the contrast of the different skin tones. If you are feeling evil, use a green filter to show all the blemishes they didn't know they had.


Edited by tank slapper on Monday 22 January 22:49

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

284 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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Theres definatly a different way of looking at a scene, as said, reds , blues, greens all the same luminescence will appear very flat in B&W.

But mechanicaly the sensor works in colour, RAW is in colour, no point taking B&W pictures (in jpg) in digital, dont even think you can take a B&W raw?

Gulliver911

Original Poster:

673 posts

264 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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No, it is understood that shooting B&W from the camera is daft, my question is what would be the best workflow in PSE to get results, from the initial RAW to a nice striking BW shot, mostly for people shots....

cirks

2,549 posts

313 months

Monday 22nd January 2007
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Current Digital Photo magazine covers exactly that (I think)