Some shots from Reims over the weekend...
Discussion
Spent the weekend in Reims with some of the EuroHoon crowd, and took my new pride and joy along (20D). Unfortunately I still have a 28-200mm boggo-standardo lens so some shots just didn't come out well, but here's a few quickly removed from my camera late last night....all comments very welcome and indeed, urmmm, welcomed! Appreciate your thoughts ladies and gents...
(this one's slightly over exposed I think)
and for sheer comedy value....I'm batman
Now I am still learning so well aware I have a long way to go...but like I say, comments gratefully received!
Thanks people
(this one's slightly over exposed I think)
and for sheer comedy value....I'm batman
Now I am still learning so well aware I have a long way to go...but like I say, comments gratefully received!
Thanks people
well done! Thanks 
You can see the idea that I had but unfortunately it was slightly over exposed I think - if I was better in photoshop I could probably correct it a bit, but I should have used a smaller apperture (to still maintain enough shutter speed to get the blur).
It took some timing to get, though, I can tell you that
You can see the idea that I had but unfortunately it was slightly over exposed I think - if I was better in photoshop I could probably correct it a bit, but I should have used a smaller apperture (to still maintain enough shutter speed to get the blur).
It took some timing to get, though, I can tell you that
Nice shots indeed.
A few seconds with Lightroom (some rather excessive adjustments perhaps for a compressed file but shows the potential for alterations ... the sky in particular could have been treated a little more gently!)
Edit - a few more seconds and another variation ...
A few seconds with Lightroom (some rather excessive adjustments perhaps for a compressed file but shows the potential for alterations ... the sky in particular could have been treated a little more gently!)
Edit - a few more seconds and another variation ...
Edited by LongQ on Monday 16th October 23:38
LongQ said:
A few seconds with Lightroom (some rather excessive adjustments perhaps for a compressed file but shows the potential for alterations ... the sky in particular could have been treated a little more gently!)
Thanks!
I like what you've done with the first one. I was frustrated that the top left of the picture (my one) was a bit too white and that has helped it alot. What is "Lightroom" ? Is it an add on for photoshop or is it a seperate program?
I think the second one is slightly too blue but the sky works well so that sky on the original pits could be good!
Thanks again for your comments people, rather quite chuffed you all like them
(PS: Em, we even left a space for the captions. May I suggest a "Kappooooow" and a "Bofffffff"
TonyHetherington said:
LongQ said:
A few seconds with Lightroom (some rather excessive adjustments perhaps for a compressed file but shows the potential for alterations ... the sky in particular could have been treated a little more gently!)
Thanks!
I like what you've done with the first one. I was frustrated that the top left of the picture (my one) was a bit too white and that has helped it alot. What is "Lightroom" ? Is it an add on for photoshop or is it a seperate program?
I think the second one is slightly too blue but the sky works well so that sky on the original pits could be good!
Lightroom is a yet to be released Adobe product which seems to be intended to provide photographers with a front end for Photoshop where images can be adjusted without the need to use PS for the task. So you can change the colour balance, lighten, darken, crop, adjust for lens distortion and stuff like that but not edit the image to change its composition.
It is also an image management library tool, slide show producer, print setup controller and a few other things.
The current free download is a Beta release which will expire in Feb 2007 when the full product is scheduled for release.
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/li
It seems quite intuitive - especially on the image manipulation front where you can play with a number of sliders, logically grouped for different image controls, and see what effects they have. There are a lot of adjustment controls to play with but it seems to be very intuitive. It will also process RAW files and I think the current Beta includes RAW processing for all cameras released up to September this year. A 20D would be no problem.
The first image looks better on my notebook screen through Lightroom than it does on my desktop screen through IE. It's a tad 'warm' compared to what I was trying for.
The second one is indeed a touch blue because I was playing with the sky (though some compression somewhere has already caused a few block colour changes in your posted original so going with the original from the camera should produce a much better result with less adjustment factored in.) I also decided to up the sharpness setting and go for more contrast to make the differences obvious rather than subtle. Once again the effect varies according to the monitor I view it through despite having set up both of them up with the same Adobe set up software. The other variable is the viewing software - IE for example is not great for photo images.
What really struck me about the image is that it can be 'warmed' to look like a sunset shot or 'cooled' to look like an early morning shot. Very versatile and a nicely balanced composition. In fact all of them are well composed to my eye.
If you catch the bug, which you should on the evidence of these shots, start budgeting for additional spend before the outlay sneaks up on you!
LQ, thanks VERY much indeed. Appreciate the time taken to write that.
I will have a play with that program then and see if I can get to grips with it. I'm quite excited about moving forward at the moment
(as for screens, that may be a problem; I have a small laptop which I use on it's own at home, and plug it into a docking station with an HP1702 lcd monitor at work so not the best things to be viewing on!)
Thanks again
T
I will have a play with that program then and see if I can get to grips with it. I'm quite excited about moving forward at the moment
(as for screens, that may be a problem; I have a small laptop which I use on it's own at home, and plug it into a docking station with an HP1702 lcd monitor at work so not the best things to be viewing on!)
Thanks again
T
LongQ said:
The first image looks better on my notebook screen through Lightroom than it does on my desktop screen through IE. It's a tad 'warm' compared to what I was trying for.
Yes, the first one of yours is warm on mine. The colours of all your shots look fine on my monitor Tony. Definitely need to get your monitor calibrated correctly to avoid disappointment at the printing stage.
EmmaP said:
LongQ said:
The first image looks better on my notebook screen through Lightroom than it does on my desktop screen through IE. It's a tad 'warm' compared to what I was trying for.
Yes, the first one of yours is warm on mine. The colours of all your shots look fine on my monitor Tony. Definitely need to get your monitor calibrated correctly to avoid disappointment at the printing stage.
Agree with you Emma that the colour of Tony's originals are fine. IMO mostly they are out of the camera, though printing is a separate science - or maybe black art!
The think is, as you know, that changing the settings to bring the sky detail up and adjust the exposure balance then suggests other changes to brings things that were OK back to being OK.
The sky needed quite a bit of adjustment to get the detail out - maybe not worth it but interesting to see what could be done quickly and without merging two different exposures of the same image.
After that there were so many interesting Lightroom sliders to play with on the screen that ... well, you know how it goes. For the second one I selected the whitest section of the bottom wall to the right of the red Elise to set a white point. Of course it is not really white there, just more white than anything else I could see. I was looking to whiten the building, which worked reasonably well, but didn't worry too much about the changes to the reds and oranges that resulted. I think the Elise looks OK in cerise! Could have been taken on older Fuji film stock!! Not difficult to bring the reds back up again if required.
Actually the nature of the shot lends itself to many quite severe adjustments and still looks good. Wish I had taken it.
EmmaP said:
LongQ said:
Of course it is not really white there, just more white than anything else I could see.
And, of course, we need to take into account the colour temperature at that time of day
Too right. The odd few degrees here and there can make a huge difference.
However that image could be converted to a misty morning and still work.
(Goes off to Lightroom to find the Mistiness Adjustment slider....)
A few more from the weekend!
As usual comments really appreciated. I don't like the final one too much, it doesn't look 'together', but I thought I'd include it because what I like others don't and vice versa - and that's what I'm learning very very quickly at the moment! Stuff I'm well chuffed with others just say 'oh ok'!
As usual comments really appreciated. I don't like the final one too much, it doesn't look 'together', but I thought I'd include it because what I like others don't and vice versa - and that's what I'm learning very very quickly at the moment! Stuff I'm well chuffed with others just say 'oh ok'!
Shot number five is a great editorial shot. Well framed, with plenty of space for text on the right hand side of the shot and for a heading across the top. Lovely use of shape and well balanced. Good use of shutter speed too.
I really like the last shot despite the camera shake It conveys the essence of driving a fun sports car and the pit provides a lovely backdrop, not too dominant but clear enough to let you know that it's Reims. Good use of panning.
Great shot of Stu - good choice of viewpoint and the framing is excellent - bang on composition. Again, this would make another great editorial shot.
Shot one lacks impact. Shot straight on, the lines do not work to create an interesting composition. My eye simply rests on the side mirror. This shot could have worked if you'd have concentrated more on line, shape and pattern.
Shot two doesn't work for me as the focusing is a little soft on the badge. You might have got a more interesting shot if you had focused on the spoiler and concentrated again on line and shape.
Shot four is quite bland. Poor composition. Lacks dynamism.
A very pleasing set of images on the whole Tony, showing great promise indeed.
I really like the last shot
despite the camera shake It conveys the essence of driving a fun sports car and the pit provides a lovely backdrop, not too dominant but clear enough to let you know that it's Reims. Good use of panning. Great shot of Stu - good choice of viewpoint and the framing is excellent - bang on composition. Again, this would make another great editorial shot.
Shot one lacks impact. Shot straight on, the lines do not work to create an interesting composition. My eye simply rests on the side mirror. This shot could have worked if you'd have concentrated more on line, shape and pattern.
Shot two doesn't work for me as the focusing is a little soft on the badge. You might have got a more interesting shot if you had focused on the spoiler and concentrated again on line and shape.
Shot four is quite bland. Poor composition. Lacks dynamism.
A very pleasing set of images on the whole Tony, showing great promise indeed.
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