Canon Lens question

[covboy]

Looking to add a dedicated "all round" lens onto my R6 (to get away from the adaptor) and been looking at the cheapest option the RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM. It seems to get some "mixed" reviews from users and testers. When checking online it seems (at least with one of the main used dealers) there are quite a lot of second hand versions available. Does this perhaps mean a lot of dissatisfied users or am I putting 2+2=5

[cirks]

as an allround lens it's fine and a big enough focal range for most all round use. Of course, it depends on what you generally shoot and the level of photography you do. The trouble with reviews is of course the level of detail they go to and what the output for images are. Are you professional, are you printing or pixel peeping at 100-200% on screen or posting at 72ppi for screens!

[Edited]
Deleted all my other words and images as I failed to read your post properly missing the word "cheap" and you looking at the standard 24-105 f4-7.1 not the L series f4 which the rest of my stuff was about.
Sorry!

Edited by cirks on Tuesday 17th January 20:15

[Byker28i]

24-105 f4 is my go to lens on my 5D mk3

[thebraketester]

Byker28i said:

24-105 f4 is my go to lens on my 5D mk3

A very different lens to the one the OP is referring to.

[alfabadass]

Get the RF50mm for about 150 or the 35mm for about 350 (or both)

The basic 24-105 is pretty crap and more or less a freebie kit lens. If you can stretch and want a zoom get the RF24-105L for around 1k

[Tony1963]

If they’re cheap enough on the used market, just buy one and try it. As a walk around lens, it could be perfect. If it’s crap, for your photography, sell it and take the hit.

[C n C]

covboy said:

Looking to add a dedicated "all round" lens onto my R6 (to get away from the adaptor) and been looking at the cheapest option the RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM. It seems to get some "mixed" reviews from users and testers. When checking online it seems (at least with one of the main used dealers) there are quite a lot of second hand versions available. Does this perhaps mean a lot of dissatisfied users or am I putting 2+2=5

A few of questions:

1. What lens or lenses are you using currently on your R6?

2. Is the idea to replace (1) with a single "all round" lens?

3. Why do you want to get away from the adapter - convenience, size/weight?

4. What sort of budget are you looking at?

[covboy]

C n C said:

covboy said:

Looking to add a dedicated "all round" lens onto my R6 (to get away from the adaptor) and been looking at the cheapest option the RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM. It seems to get some "mixed" reviews from users and testers. When checking online it seems (at least with one of the main used dealers) there are quite a lot of second hand versions available. Does this perhaps mean a lot of dissatisfied users or am I putting 2+2=5

A few of questions:

1. What lens or lenses are you using currently on your R6?

2. Is the idea to replace (1) with a single "all round" lens?

3. Why do you want to get away from the adapter - convenience, size/weight?

4. What sort of budget are you looking at?

1. A mixture of EF & EF L series
2. yes
3. again yes but also seen results, from a friend, of dedicated R series lens (not th e one I'm talking about) and results look impresive
4. Used verisions I've looked at are around £290 which in this case is affordable for me

[covboy]

cirks said:

as an allround lens it's fine and a big enough focal range for most all round use. Of course, it depends on what you generally shoot and the level of photography you do. The trouble with reviews is of course the level of detail they go to and what the output for images are. Are you professional, are you printing or pixel peeping at 100-200% on screen or posting at 72ppi for screens!

[Edited]
Deleted all my other words and images as I failed to read your post properly missing the word "cheap" and you looking at the standard 24-105 f4-7.1 not the L series f4 which the rest of my stuff was about.
Sorry!

Edited by cirks on Tuesday 17th January 20:15

The standard 24-105 f4-7.1

[Turtle Shed]

Get the 24-240. 10x zoom makes for a great all-purpose lens.

Yes it's heavier and yes it costs more, but I simply couldn't spend money on a lens that at just 105mm was wide open at f/7.1.

[tog]

I'm using almost exclusively adapted EF lenses on my R5s, the adapters work very well. The only RF lens I have is is a 24-240, bought used for days out with the kids and the like. It is definitely not as sharp as the EF L lenses if you pixel peep, but for what it is I am very happy with it. It is a very reasonable size and weight for the utility and flexibility it provides. I definitely would not be happy with a f7.1 lens - the f6.3 of the 24-240 is already pretty marginal in low light with the camera struggling to focus, so f7.1 would be pretty unusable in many situations I would think, although it does depend on how and what you photograph of course.

[C n C]

covboy said:

C n C said:

covboy said:

Looking to add a dedicated "all round" lens onto my R6 (to get away from the adaptor) and been looking at the cheapest option the RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM. It seems to get some "mixed" reviews from users and testers. When checking online it seems (at least with one of the main used dealers) there are quite a lot of second hand versions available. Does this perhaps mean a lot of dissatisfied users or am I putting 2+2=5

A few of questions:

1. What lens or lenses are you using currently on your R6?

2. Is the idea to replace (1) with a single "all round" lens?

3. Why do you want to get away from the adapter - convenience, size/weight?

4. What sort of budget are you looking at?

1. A mixture of EF & EF L series
2. yes
3. again yes but also seen results, from a friend, of dedicated R series lens (not th e one I'm talking about) and results look impresive
4. Used verisions I've looked at are around £290 which in this case is affordable for me

(1) and (2) Ok, if you are looking to replace your EF and EF-L series lenses with a single "all round" lens, then wouldn't this mean that you could probably get a decent amount selling these lenses, depending on exactly which lenses they are. Canon L series lenses are not exactly cheap. This could potentially up your available budget significantly. You could also sell your adapter - these are going for £104 used from MPB, so likely you could easily achieve an additional £60-£70 for your new lens budget.

(3) Some of the dedicated RF lenses are indeed extremely high quality, but also tend to be pretty expensive. What is the lens your friend is using that you are impressed with? I'm assuming (possibly incorrectly) that it cost more than the lens you are considering, or is less versatile?

(4) You are looking to put a £290 (£460 new) lens on a £2k+ camera body, and this is at least partly due to an expected improvement in quality of an RF lens over using your existing EF and EF L lenses with converter.

You state that there are quite a lot of RF 24-105 f4-7.1 used lenses available used. I'd suggest you are putting 2+2 together and getting an answer of 4 in your initial thoughts.

If the focal length range of 24-105 meets your requirements, then (IMHO), I'd think that going for the RF 24-105 f4L would be a far better match in terms of quality for your R6 body. It also has a constant F4 aperture. As the poster above mentioned, I really wouldn't want a max aperture of F7.1 at 105mm.

The RF 24-105 F4L is obviously expensive (£1400 new), but can be had used in excellent condition with guarantee from the likes of MPB for less than £1100.


To put my opinion into context, I'm using a range of EF L series lenses (24-105 F4, 70-210 F2.8, 100 F2.8 Macro, and a Sigma 120-300 F2.8) with converter on an R5 body, and am very happy with the results (size/weight doesn't really worry me too much). I'm not planning to change to RF lenses anytime soon (in fact considering adding an EF 11-24 f4L). If I won the lottery, I might consider switching all my lenses to RF equivalents, but they would definitely all be RF L series ones.


TL:DR
Don't put a budget RF lens on an expensive full-frame mirrorless camera and expect an improvement in image quality over EF L series glass used with a converter.

[cirks]

Try it before you buy it. I'd still be tempted to use EF L series as cheaper than RF L and you'll get better results than with the RF kit lens BUT if you want to get away from the adapter, try it first. It's included in the Canon 48 hour Test Drive
https://www.canon.co.uk/testdrive/terms-and-condit...

[covboy]

C n C said:

covboy said:

C n C said:

covboy said:

Looking to add a dedicated "all round" lens onto my R6 (to get away from the adaptor) and been looking at the cheapest option the RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM. It seems to get some "mixed" reviews from users and testers. When checking online it seems (at least with one of the main used dealers) there are quite a lot of second hand versions available. Does this perhaps mean a lot of dissatisfied users or am I putting 2+2=5

A few of questions:

1. What lens or lenses are you using currently on your R6?

2. Is the idea to replace (1) with a single "all round" lens?

3. Why do you want to get away from the adapter - convenience, size/weight?

4. What sort of budget are you looking at?

1. A mixture of EF & EF L series
2. yes
3. again yes but also seen results, from a friend, of dedicated R series lens (not th e one I'm talking about) and results look impresive
4. Used verisions I've looked at are around £290 which in this case is affordable for me

(1) and (2) Ok, if you are looking to replace your EF and EF-L series lenses with a single "all round" lens, then wouldn't this mean that you could probably get a decent amount selling these lenses, depending on exactly which lenses they are. Canon L series lenses are not exactly cheap. This could potentially up your available budget significantly. You could also sell your adapter - these are going for £104 used from MPB, so likely you could easily achieve an additional £60-£70 for your new lens budget.

(3) Some of the dedicated RF lenses are indeed extremely high quality, but also tend to be pretty expensive. What is the lens your friend is using that you are impressed with? I'm assuming (possibly incorrectly) that it cost more than the lens you are considering, or is less versatile?

(4) You are looking to put a £290 (£460 new) lens on a £2k+ camera body, and this is at least partly due to an expected improvement in quality of an RF lens over using your existing EF and EF L lenses with converter.

You state that there are quite a lot of RF 24-105 f4-7.1 used lenses available used. I'd suggest you are putting 2+2 together and getting an answer of 4 in your initial thoughts.

If the focal length range of 24-105 meets your requirements, then (IMHO), I'd think that going for the RF 24-105 f4L would be a far better match in terms of quality for your R6 body. It also has a constant F4 aperture. As the poster above mentioned, I really wouldn't want a max aperture of F7.1 at 105mm.

The RF 24-105 F4L is obviously expensive (£1400 new), but can be had used in excellent condition with guarantee from the likes of MPB for less than £1100.


To put my opinion into context, I'm using a range of EF L series lenses (24-105 F4, 70-210 F2.8, 100 F2.8 Macro, and a Sigma 120-300 F2.8) with converter on an R5 body, and am very happy with the results (size/weight doesn't really worry me too much). I'm not planning to change to RF lenses anytime soon (in fact considering adding an EF 11-24 f4L). If I won the lottery, I might consider switching all my lenses to RF equivalents, but they would definitely all be RF L series ones.


TL:DR
Don't put a budget RF lens on an expensive full-frame mirrorless camera and expect an improvement in image quality over EF L series glass used with a converter.

Thanks for all the info and advice. Just FYI I'm not looking to drop the other lenses They are still in use on my 5D So will stick with these.

[C n C]

covboy said:

Thanks for all the info and advice. Just FYI I'm not looking to drop the other lenses They are still in use on my 5D So will stick with these.

Ok - fair enough, apologies for incorrectly assuming that replacing them meant you would no longer use them.

This, for me is another reason for staying with the EF glass and converter, so it can be used on my 5Dmk3 as well as the R5.

I guess that doesn't really help with your budget then!!