Canon 5D IV vs 6D II ???
Discussion
Afternoon all,
I used to have a Canon 7D, which I sold and replaced with a Canon M50.
The M50 has proven to be vastly superior to the 7D in every aspect except for having really crap battery life, but both have one particular failing in that their low (or even moderate!) light performance is pretty crap.
Having had a very, very good quarter work-wise, I've therefore decided to treat myself to a full frame body.
First up, whilst I know Canon may not necessarily be the best option any more, I've got too much in the way of lenses and flashes to think about going through the pain of a wholesale manufacturer move, so this brings me down to an apparent choice between the 5D mk 4 and the 6D mk 2.
At first glance, I cannot begin to see what justifies the 5 being twice the price of the 6, but as there are various reputable outlets selling excellent condition used 5's with fewer than 10k shutter actuations for about the same price as a new 6, that becomes less of an issue.
Simple question, therefore, is what would people recommend and why?
I don't really film much in the way of video, so I'm not sure that the 4K video of the 5 is much benefit compared to the 1080 on the 6, plus I do like the articulated screen on the M50, which the 6 has and the 5 doesn't. Is there any real reason why I wouldn't just go for a nice new 6D?
One further point to note is that the lenses I have, whilst very nice, aren't weatherproofed L lenses, so again I guess the weatherproofing advantages of the 5 would be somewhat irrelevant?
The longer I ramble, the more logical the 6 seems as a choice, but am I missing anything?
I used to have a Canon 7D, which I sold and replaced with a Canon M50.
The M50 has proven to be vastly superior to the 7D in every aspect except for having really crap battery life, but both have one particular failing in that their low (or even moderate!) light performance is pretty crap.
Having had a very, very good quarter work-wise, I've therefore decided to treat myself to a full frame body.
First up, whilst I know Canon may not necessarily be the best option any more, I've got too much in the way of lenses and flashes to think about going through the pain of a wholesale manufacturer move, so this brings me down to an apparent choice between the 5D mk 4 and the 6D mk 2.
At first glance, I cannot begin to see what justifies the 5 being twice the price of the 6, but as there are various reputable outlets selling excellent condition used 5's with fewer than 10k shutter actuations for about the same price as a new 6, that becomes less of an issue.
Simple question, therefore, is what would people recommend and why?
I don't really film much in the way of video, so I'm not sure that the 4K video of the 5 is much benefit compared to the 1080 on the 6, plus I do like the articulated screen on the M50, which the 6 has and the 5 doesn't. Is there any real reason why I wouldn't just go for a nice new 6D?
One further point to note is that the lenses I have, whilst very nice, aren't weatherproofed L lenses, so again I guess the weatherproofing advantages of the 5 would be somewhat irrelevant?
The longer I ramble, the more logical the 6 seems as a choice, but am I missing anything?
I think the DSLR has finally reached the end of its life and the future is now mirrorless. Having said that it doesn't stop them being great cameras. However I don't think I'd invest in any new DSLR at the moment...but as pre owned I think there could be bargains out there; the 5D4 is an excellent full frame camera used by a lot of pros.
It depends what you take pictures of as to whether either will fulfil your needs
It depends what you take pictures of as to whether either will fulfil your needs
DavidY said:
If your budget extends to a 'new' 5D MkIV, is the R6 not a consideration (with EF lens adapter)?
I wasn't looking at a new 5D - excellent second hand ones are going for around £1,500 - so the step up to an R6 with adaptor is a grand more, but I'm now wondering whether the RP wouldn't be the best option of all, given that this would leave me an extra £400 or so for lenses! 
taxboy said:
I think the DSLR has finally reached the end of its life and the future is now mirrorless. Having said that it doesn't stop them being great cameras. However I don't think I'd invest in any new DSLR at the moment...but as pre owned I think there could be bargains out there; the 5D4 is an excellent full frame camera used by a lot of pros.
It depends what you take pictures of as to whether either will fulfil your needs
The main area I'd like to see an improvement in is noise when shooting birds with a Sigma 150-600mm. Better, more responsive AF to get the little fIt depends what you take pictures of as to whether either will fulfil your needs
kers in flight without having to close down the aperture would also help with that, of course! Kermit power said:
DavidY said:
If your budget extends to a 'new' 5D MkIV, is the R6 not a consideration (with EF lens adapter)?
I wasn't looking at a new 5D - excellent second hand ones are going for around £1,500 - so the step up to an R6 with adaptor is a grand more, but I'm now wondering whether the RP wouldn't be the best option of all, given that this would leave me an extra £400 or so for lenses! Don't dismiss the EOS-R either, its actually a lot better than the initial reviews would have you believe (and is in effect a single card slot mirrorless 5D4), my son has one and gets some great images out of it.
Kermit power said:
The main area I'd like to see an improvement in is noise when shooting birds with a Sigma 150-600mm. Better, more responsive AF to get the little fkers in flight without having to close down the aperture would also help with that, of course!
You really need to look at the R6, the IBIS will help here as well especially at long focal lengths.kers in flight without having to close down the aperture would also help with that, of course! DavidY said:
You really need to look at the R6, the IBIS will help here as well especially at long focal lengths.
From what I have read and seen the autofocus and IBIS is a game changer for bird photography. I think I'd dig down the back of the sofa for an R6 - currently best price I've seen for body only is £2000 from HDEW... although I know it's a grey importOkay, so from all of this, I'm now thinking...
1. Sell the M50 (plus EF-M 11-22, 15-45 & 55-200 and EF adapter).
2. Keep my Canon and Sigma EF lenses plus flashes.
3. Buy an R6, EF adapter and...
4. Figure out whether it's worth even contemplating the horrific cost of any of the native R lenses to get something wide-angle, or whether I'd be better off with EF lenses???
1. Sell the M50 (plus EF-M 11-22, 15-45 & 55-200 and EF adapter).
2. Keep my Canon and Sigma EF lenses plus flashes.
3. Buy an R6, EF adapter and...
4. Figure out whether it's worth even contemplating the horrific cost of any of the native R lenses to get something wide-angle, or whether I'd be better off with EF lenses???
Kermit power said:
4. Figure out whether it's worth even contemplating the horrific cost of any of the native R lenses to get something wide-angle, or whether I'd be better off with EF lenses???
The RF lenses are nice I'm sure, but I've been using R5s for nearly a year now with only EF lenses and they work fine. Better than on my old 5DIVs in fact. tog said:
Kermit power said:
4. Figure out whether it's worth even contemplating the horrific cost of any of the native R lenses to get something wide-angle, or whether I'd be better off with EF lenses???
The RF lenses are nice I'm sure, but I've been using R5s for nearly a year now with only EF lenses and they work fine. Better than on my old 5DIVs in fact. At least my old Sigma 10-20 wouldn't have worked on it anyway so no regrets there!
Honestly you won't be disappointed with an R6 its an amazing bit of kit and if I was in the market for a FF camera for fast shooting, it would be top of my list - its nice in the hand as well.
My step daughter is using it with an EF mount Tamron 24-70 F2.8 first generation (on the adapter) and getting really good results, she also as a EF70-200 USM I F2.8. No problems with AF at all.
My step daughter is using it with an EF mount Tamron 24-70 F2.8 first generation (on the adapter) and getting really good results, she also as a EF70-200 USM I F2.8. No problems with AF at all.
6D2 has piss poor AF compared to 5D4 and piss poor dynamic range. Trying to recover an underexposed raw image from the 6D2 is a painful and miserable experience compared to the 5D. That, to me, is worth the extra cash. But, the EOS R is basically the same camera but without a mirror box and since it's the unloved bd child of the Canon range, can be had cheap.
d child of the Canon range, can be had cheap. DavidY said:
There are though some advantageds to the R6 over the R
Faster AF
Joystick to move AF point about
Faster burst write
IBIS
Dual Card Slots
The R is a nice camera, but in performance terms the R6 is quite a bit better (as long as resolution is not a priority)
In addition to this - and this is the thing that's really, really pulling me towards the R6 despite it being by some way the most expensive option I've looked at, it has bird's eye autofocus!Faster AF
Joystick to move AF point about
Faster burst write
IBIS
Dual Card Slots
The R is a nice camera, but in performance terms the R6 is quite a bit better (as long as resolution is not a priority)
What, you might ask, is that? From the reviews I've been reading, it does an insanely good job of actually locking AF on to the eye of a bird (or cat/dog) and tracking it!!!
Given that the sort of shot I'm keenest to improve is like the one below, I'm sure you can understand the attraction!
If I can get shots like this to work more often (this was one of about three worth keeping after an hour or so) with less noise, shallower depth of field and better sharpness, I'll be a happy bunny.
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