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Looking to updrade my aging Canon 500D for something a bit newer/shinier/more buttons.
I shoot mostly family and friends, candid portraits that kind of thing. I really got into it when my nieces and nephews started arriving after having the camera sit on a shelf for a few years, now i'm the unofficial family photographer.
I have a few primes and a 24-70L zoom so i'd like to stay with Canon, my main want is better ISO performance for low light.
Currently i am looking at second hand, 5D mk 3/4 or a 6D mk 2, or blowing my load on an R6 then saving for some RF lenses.
Any feedback appreciated.
I shoot mostly family and friends, candid portraits that kind of thing. I really got into it when my nieces and nephews started arriving after having the camera sit on a shelf for a few years, now i'm the unofficial family photographer.
I have a few primes and a 24-70L zoom so i'd like to stay with Canon, my main want is better ISO performance for low light.
Currently i am looking at second hand, 5D mk 3/4 or a 6D mk 2, or blowing my load on an R6 then saving for some RF lenses.
Any feedback appreciated.
So i guess the first question is, what do you want your new camera to do that your old one cant? is this functionality worth it
Once you have manmathed that answer to requiring a new toy, then its mirrorless all the way as its the future, and the more you invest in the old stuff the harder and more expensive it will be to change in the future
To save money look at the metabones conversion for your current lenses and then replace slowly with new glass .
Once you have manmathed that answer to requiring a new toy, then its mirrorless all the way as its the future, and the more you invest in the old stuff the harder and more expensive it will be to change in the future
To save money look at the metabones conversion for your current lenses and then replace slowly with new glass .
Well, ISO 1000 as a standard and I'm happy with my https://www.olympus.nl/site/nl/c/cameras/om_d_syst...
StevieBee said:
Personally, I'd allocate some of your budget to a decent flash rather than hang a hat on ISO performance.
I suppose the question i want to ask is how much difference would moving to a full frame sensor make? I do have a flash admittedly I probably don't use it as much as I could.Better AF would be nice as well, children tend to move more quickly than my camera can cope with.
satans worm said:
So i guess the first question is, what do you want your new camera to do that your old one cant? is this functionality worth it
Once you have manmathed that answer to requiring a new toy, then its mirrorless all the way as its the future, and the more you invest in the old stuff the harder and more expensive it will be to change in the future
To save money look at the metabones conversion for your current lenses and then replace slowly with new glass .
As with all these threads it's all about justifying the man maths! Better to spend a couple of grand now and start saving for the mirrorless lenses than spend £1500 and essentialy be "out of date"Once you have manmathed that answer to requiring a new toy, then its mirrorless all the way as its the future, and the more you invest in the old stuff the harder and more expensive it will be to change in the future
To save money look at the metabones conversion for your current lenses and then replace slowly with new glass .
Better ISO and AF are the main concerns, the IBIS on the R6 is a big draw as well.
The Original Canon 6D is very good in low light (better than 5D MKiii and probably better than 6DMk2), though doesn't have all the bells and whistles - shooting at 12800 gave decent clean images and 25600 was acceptable. You can get them for around £400-450 at the moment. Bit of a bargain, but teh biggest let down compared with newer cameras is the number of available focus points.
I'm a big mirrorless fan, so if the budget could stretch I'd go for the R6 and add RF glass at a later date. Just be in for the long haul though, as mirrorless bodies depreciate like stones, as now models get released every two years or so (reference Sony and Fujifilm) - Canon haven't been in the FF mirrorless game for that long and they don't tend to update their bodies that frequently, so maybe will be more immune to this.
I'm a big mirrorless fan, so if the budget could stretch I'd go for the R6 and add RF glass at a later date. Just be in for the long haul though, as mirrorless bodies depreciate like stones, as now models get released every two years or so (reference Sony and Fujifilm) - Canon haven't been in the FF mirrorless game for that long and they don't tend to update their bodies that frequently, so maybe will be more immune to this.
StevieBee said:
Alxxx said:
my main want is better ISO performance for low light.
Personally, I'd allocate some of your budget to a decent flash rather than hang a hat on ISO performance.Alxxx said:
Looking to updrade my aging Canon 500D for something a bit newer/shinier/more buttons.
I shoot mostly family and friends, candid portraits that kind of thing. I really got into it when my nieces and nephews started arriving after having the camera sit on a shelf for a few years, now i'm the unofficial family photographer.
I have a few primes and a 24-70L zoom so i'd like to stay with Canon, my main want is better ISO performance for low light.
Currently i am looking at second hand, 5D mk 3/4 or a 6D mk 2, or blowing my load on an R6 then saving for some RF lenses.
Any feedback appreciated.
I'd agree with another poster that high ISO performance in the 5Dmk3 isn't brilliant compared to its contemporaries. I know as I have one and it's one of the reasons I'm thinking about an upgrade, particularly for lower noise in the shadows. It does still produce excellent photos though, and is a joy to use!I shoot mostly family and friends, candid portraits that kind of thing. I really got into it when my nieces and nephews started arriving after having the camera sit on a shelf for a few years, now i'm the unofficial family photographer.
I have a few primes and a 24-70L zoom so i'd like to stay with Canon, my main want is better ISO performance for low light.
Currently i am looking at second hand, 5D mk 3/4 or a 6D mk 2, or blowing my load on an R6 then saving for some RF lenses.
Any feedback appreciated.
I'd agree that if you have the budget, the R6 would be an excellent choice with a big improvement in AF, and also the advantage of in-body image stabilisation (which apparently is particularly effective with shorter focal length lenses, so good for your 24-70L).
satans worm said:
Once you have manmathed that answer to requiring a new toy, then its mirrorless all the way as its the future, and the more you invest in the old stuff the harder and more expensive it will be to change in the future
To save money look at the metabones conversion for your current lenses and then replace slowly with new glass .
Unless I'm missing some additional functionality provided by metabones converters, I'd just get the Canon EF-R converter which basically means that your existing Canon lenses will work perfectly with the R6 and don't have any glass elements in them so do not degrade performance, which means no need to rush into buying RF glass. If you go for the variant with the control ring on it, it gives you another method of changing settings, so you can allocate aperture, shutter speed etc to that control.To save money look at the metabones conversion for your current lenses and then replace slowly with new glass .
Finally. if you're not worried about grey imports, HDEW have the R6 body for £2069. They have a physical UK shop in Surrey, and provide a 3 year warranty. Several people on here and on Talk Photography have used them with no problems (personally I bought my 5Dmark3 and also a Canon 100mm f2.8 L Macro lens from them and would/will use them again in future).
I went for an R6 having had an 80D for about 4 years. Once you’ve experienced the EVF and focussing system you’ll never want to use a DSLR ever again. With eye AF it makes portraiture an absolute doddle - you can spend all your time working on composition and forget about the technical aspects of making the image. I’ve managed to get some great wildlife shots that I’d never have managed with the 80D. Low light performance and dynamic range are also superior to older Canon cameras due to the newer sensor.
It’s not cheap, and the L lenses are stupid money, but I really believe it’s worth the investment.
It’s not cheap, and the L lenses are stupid money, but I really believe it’s worth the investment.
R6 would get my vote. I changed up to mirrorless 2 years ago from the 5DIV to R and now to the R5.
RF lenses are great too, the non-L RF35, 24-240 are truly very good and relatively inexpensive. My RF24-105 L has kept me from getting a 24-70 too, it is just so good. I have the RF70-200, much more compact and a stellar lens. The only EF lens I still have is the EF100-400 L II which I'll change for an RF100-500 L before my next trip abroad.
RF lenses are great too, the non-L RF35, 24-240 are truly very good and relatively inexpensive. My RF24-105 L has kept me from getting a 24-70 too, it is just so good. I have the RF70-200, much more compact and a stellar lens. The only EF lens I still have is the EF100-400 L II which I'll change for an RF100-500 L before my next trip abroad.
I take photos at car shows and paddocks, that sort of thing, or rather did do. I find I use my flash a lot of times, especially for fill-in or bounce. I’ve got a cheap but quite powerful non-dedicated and it is well worth taking to events. Wouldn’t be without it.
I’ve got a mirrorless, bought mainly because full-frame cameras are a bit weighty to carry around all day. Literally a pain. It’s not too bad just for one day, but a 3-day event can make Sunday a day too far. I’ve got a Panasonic mirrorless and I’m really glad I made the choice. I also often take a 100 - 300mm lens (200 – 600 in old money) tucked in a vest pocket and it’s not as heavy as my full-frame 400 max, and it’s easier to handle.
However, I don’t know if they are the coming thing, although Panasonic have produced some excellent ones over recent years. Most people don’t carry them all day, so perhaps a bit specialist. That said, some general release films have been made with mirrorless cameras. Technology has moved on.
I was talking to a chap who’d got a full-frame Canon on a gimble, this at Goodwood FoS. It was great, but heavy when held away from the body. I asked if it was a problem for him, and he said that after an hour, he’d had enough. He was thinking of getting a mirrorless. As I say, perhaps a bit specialist.
I’ve got a mirrorless, bought mainly because full-frame cameras are a bit weighty to carry around all day. Literally a pain. It’s not too bad just for one day, but a 3-day event can make Sunday a day too far. I’ve got a Panasonic mirrorless and I’m really glad I made the choice. I also often take a 100 - 300mm lens (200 – 600 in old money) tucked in a vest pocket and it’s not as heavy as my full-frame 400 max, and it’s easier to handle.
However, I don’t know if they are the coming thing, although Panasonic have produced some excellent ones over recent years. Most people don’t carry them all day, so perhaps a bit specialist. That said, some general release films have been made with mirrorless cameras. Technology has moved on.
I was talking to a chap who’d got a full-frame Canon on a gimble, this at Goodwood FoS. It was great, but heavy when held away from the body. I asked if it was a problem for him, and he said that after an hour, he’d had enough. He was thinking of getting a mirrorless. As I say, perhaps a bit specialist.
I've got a 5DMkII (alongside a 7D Mk1 which i've not been overly impressed by) and am also considering upgrading, so your shortlist is similar to mine.
What I will say is that the metal-bodied Canon DSLR's are genuinely heavier than the smaller plastic ones. If you've a good telephoto lens on (70-200L or bigger) then that's less of an issue, and the camera feels better balanced than a heavy lens on a little body), but it IS extra weight to lug around, as others have said.
I keep toying with the mirrorless R's (although I'm nervous about battery life, and overall camera life given the new stuff is 'on' all the time - the full-frame DSLRs just seem to keep going forever)...
...but I've got so much money invested in glass now that it's an expensive change. So if you've not yet got any L-series lenses, moving to R early MIGHT just be the smart move...
What I will say is that the metal-bodied Canon DSLR's are genuinely heavier than the smaller plastic ones. If you've a good telephoto lens on (70-200L or bigger) then that's less of an issue, and the camera feels better balanced than a heavy lens on a little body), but it IS extra weight to lug around, as others have said.
I keep toying with the mirrorless R's (although I'm nervous about battery life, and overall camera life given the new stuff is 'on' all the time - the full-frame DSLRs just seem to keep going forever)...
...but I've got so much money invested in glass now that it's an expensive change. So if you've not yet got any L-series lenses, moving to R early MIGHT just be the smart move...
havoc said:
I've got a 5DMkII (alongside a 7D Mk1 which i've not been overly impressed by) and am also considering upgrading, so your shortlist is similar to mine.
What I will say is that the metal-bodied Canon DSLR's are genuinely heavier than the smaller plastic ones. If you've a good telephoto lens on (70-200L or bigger) then that's less of an issue, and the camera feels better balanced than a heavy lens on a little body), but it IS extra weight to lug around, as others have said.
I keep toying with the mirrorless R's (although I'm nervous about battery life, and overall camera life given the new stuff is 'on' all the time - the full-frame DSLRs just seem to keep going forever)...
...but I've got so much money invested in glass now that it's an expensive change. So if you've not yet got any L-series lenses, moving to R early MIGHT just be the smart move...
The R-series works very well with EF lenses. The EF-RF adaptor is great, if anything, they work slightly better on the R models. What I will say is that the metal-bodied Canon DSLR's are genuinely heavier than the smaller plastic ones. If you've a good telephoto lens on (70-200L or bigger) then that's less of an issue, and the camera feels better balanced than a heavy lens on a little body), but it IS extra weight to lug around, as others have said.
I keep toying with the mirrorless R's (although I'm nervous about battery life, and overall camera life given the new stuff is 'on' all the time - the full-frame DSLRs just seem to keep going forever)...
...but I've got so much money invested in glass now that it's an expensive change. So if you've not yet got any L-series lenses, moving to R early MIGHT just be the smart move...
I have gone all in for RF now and traded in all but one of my EF lenses over the last 2 years but anyone wanting to use EF can confidently do so with zero loss of quality or anything else.
DSLR's simply won't be made much longer looking at the roadmaps of new cameras that we can see, Mirrorless has arrived in force. I've been on Mirrorless for 2 years with the original R and never had battery concerns but yes, you do have to adapt to fewer shots per charge.
I really enjoyed my R, sold a 5DIV and 7DII when I got it. The only thing I wanted was faster fps, which I now have with my R5 and if cropping or huge prints isn't a need, then the R6 is the pick of the R-series I reckon.
I thought I should come back and update this thread.
I ended up buying a very clean, low shutter count 5D Mk III for a bargain £550 on ebay and I am really happy with it. The rest of the budget will go into the lens pot for now. I hired a 35mm 1.4L a couple of months ago and now my ebay watchlist is full of them!
The camera is fantastic, I know the model is 9 years old but it is a huge step up from my 500D and an absolute pleasure to use.
Maybe I am missing out by not buying an R6, but you can't mis what you never had!
I ended up buying a very clean, low shutter count 5D Mk III for a bargain £550 on ebay and I am really happy with it. The rest of the budget will go into the lens pot for now. I hired a 35mm 1.4L a couple of months ago and now my ebay watchlist is full of them!
The camera is fantastic, I know the model is 9 years old but it is a huge step up from my 500D and an absolute pleasure to use.
Maybe I am missing out by not buying an R6, but you can't mis what you never had!
Alxxx said:
I thought I should come back and update this thread.
I ended up buying a very clean, low shutter count 5D Mk III for a bargain £550 on ebay and I am really happy with it. The rest of the budget will go into the lens pot for now. I hired a 35mm 1.4L a couple of months ago and now my ebay watchlist is full of them!
The camera is fantastic, I know the model is 9 years old but it is a huge step up from my 500D and an absolute pleasure to use.
Maybe I am missing out by not buying an R6, but you can't mis what you never had!
Good choice, 5dmk3 is a fine tool, hammered mine when I had it, not needed or felt the need to jump to the R6, end of the day its what's behind the camera mate, tech is great, and makes client work esier....but, you can overcome that as a photographer, e.g lighting is very important skill and something that needs to be learned imo.I ended up buying a very clean, low shutter count 5D Mk III for a bargain £550 on ebay and I am really happy with it. The rest of the budget will go into the lens pot for now. I hired a 35mm 1.4L a couple of months ago and now my ebay watchlist is full of them!
The camera is fantastic, I know the model is 9 years old but it is a huge step up from my 500D and an absolute pleasure to use.
Maybe I am missing out by not buying an R6, but you can't mis what you never had!
I use a couple of 5dmk4's with work, its a tool, gets the job done - phenomenally good camera for commercial work with good glass, heck I still use my 150k shutters 5dmk2 for corporate stuff, love the feel of those files - enjoy pal!
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