Canon EOS R mirrorless...any experiences??
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RobDickinson said:
I've only handled it a bit, feature/sensor wise its close to the 5d4,
better for manual focus glass, better if you like an EVF, poorer I guess for fast action from an fps pov
The RF mount lenses are looking god level if you can afford them
I think your sense is right-better for manual focus glass, better if you like an EVF, poorer I guess for fast action from an fps pov
The RF mount lenses are looking god level if you can afford them
the thing that attracts me is some of the programmability..for instance you can have it focus on someone's eyes and will hold even if they're moving. It also seems to have some brilliant fill flash ability in bright light for instance. It just hard to try it without buying one though.
I too would be very interested to hear from anybody who has purchased either the Canon EOS R or cheaper RP version.
Was chatting to the Canon rep today in John Lewis Nottingham who was wandering around with an EOS R and a very substantial (and hugely expensive) 85mm lens, awesome bit of kit, and yes it has eye tracking which is a fantastic improvement on millions of focus points, especially when taking portrait photographs or attempting to take a sharp pic of the kids, apparently it is fitted with some clever tech stuff so knows which eye to focus on depending upon which eye is closer. What I wasn't so keen on was the grey LCD display on the top which has replaced the selector dial for aperture and shutter speed, etc. which seemed a bit tiny and didn't appear to be backlit. Unfortunately at my age I need better contrast to be able to see these things. I appreciate that these settings can be adjusted whilst viewing the rear LCD screen but seemed an odd thing to change considering just how well the top mounted dial has worked for all these years.
What really caught my eye was the cheaper variant EOS RP camera priced up at £1399 which retains said dial, am sorely tempted to go and buy one of these because both EF and EFS lenses can be used with the supplied adapter which is great for users who are moving across from many of the current Canon SLR cameras and don't have deep enough pockets to buy the new generation lenses to go with the new cameras. I noted that the RP uses a smaller battery than the R which uses the same battery as the 5D3 so presumably doesn't last as long. Was great to note that that the tilt and flip LCD screen could be flipped round completely to hide it for those instances when you are working in low light or total darkness and don't want a shiny screen lighting up the area.
Both of these cameras seem tiny and are considerably lighter than the 5D3 which I'm currently using, though I guess if you attach one of the faster lenses then that advantage will be somewhat reduced.
Am sure the rep mentioned to me that focus stacking [bracketing] is built in to the cheaper RP version which would be very useful for macro depth of field photographs.
Would I buy one, well hell I would, would the wife let me, hell no she wouldn't, will have to wait for Christmas
Was chatting to the Canon rep today in John Lewis Nottingham who was wandering around with an EOS R and a very substantial (and hugely expensive) 85mm lens, awesome bit of kit, and yes it has eye tracking which is a fantastic improvement on millions of focus points, especially when taking portrait photographs or attempting to take a sharp pic of the kids, apparently it is fitted with some clever tech stuff so knows which eye to focus on depending upon which eye is closer. What I wasn't so keen on was the grey LCD display on the top which has replaced the selector dial for aperture and shutter speed, etc. which seemed a bit tiny and didn't appear to be backlit. Unfortunately at my age I need better contrast to be able to see these things. I appreciate that these settings can be adjusted whilst viewing the rear LCD screen but seemed an odd thing to change considering just how well the top mounted dial has worked for all these years.
What really caught my eye was the cheaper variant EOS RP camera priced up at £1399 which retains said dial, am sorely tempted to go and buy one of these because both EF and EFS lenses can be used with the supplied adapter which is great for users who are moving across from many of the current Canon SLR cameras and don't have deep enough pockets to buy the new generation lenses to go with the new cameras. I noted that the RP uses a smaller battery than the R which uses the same battery as the 5D3 so presumably doesn't last as long. Was great to note that that the tilt and flip LCD screen could be flipped round completely to hide it for those instances when you are working in low light or total darkness and don't want a shiny screen lighting up the area.
Both of these cameras seem tiny and are considerably lighter than the 5D3 which I'm currently using, though I guess if you attach one of the faster lenses then that advantage will be somewhat reduced.
Am sure the rep mentioned to me that focus stacking [bracketing] is built in to the cheaper RP version which would be very useful for macro depth of field photographs.
Would I buy one, well hell I would, would the wife let me, hell no she wouldn't, will have to wait for Christmas
I really need to replace my 5dmk2. I am so underwhelmed by the EOS R though, and it's not a certain buy for me. My biggest complaint is lack of two card slots. I don't have this on my 5d, but do on my 7dmk2, and have had a card die. Other than that the basic weather sealing also puts me off.
However, I don't see real alternatives for me. The Sony A7R3 doesn't fit my hands (too small between grip and lens, and wouldn't work with gloves). They've fixed that in the A7R4 I think. The Nikon is too big. I also have a few Canon L lenses, and changing lenses isn't cheap at all. Sony lenses are pricy.
I'd be much happier if the EOS R was priced more realistically. It's probably £400 more than it should be.
Overall it's a disappointing camera and I am still lost on whether to just get it and enjoy it (I almost certainly would like it), or wait a year or two for the mk2. Canon generally has long waits between versions, so it could be a while.
However, I don't see real alternatives for me. The Sony A7R3 doesn't fit my hands (too small between grip and lens, and wouldn't work with gloves). They've fixed that in the A7R4 I think. The Nikon is too big. I also have a few Canon L lenses, and changing lenses isn't cheap at all. Sony lenses are pricy.
I'd be much happier if the EOS R was priced more realistically. It's probably £400 more than it should be.
Overall it's a disappointing camera and I am still lost on whether to just get it and enjoy it (I almost certainly would like it), or wait a year or two for the mk2. Canon generally has long waits between versions, so it could be a while.
I've been using the EOS R for a while now and can honestly say the only thing I still miss from my old 7D is the jog dial in the back, but even that is something I'm getting used to not having now. Admittedly, there is a fat bigger jump between the 7D and R than there would be between the 5D's mentioned above and the R but so far I really can't think of a major criticism while shooting stills. Later today I'll be doing a little video shoot for the first time so we'll see how well that goes later.
Matt.. said:
... the basic weather sealing also puts me off ...
It's hardly basic, according to this test it's one of the highest scoring weather-proof cameras ever tested.Matt.. said:
I really need to replace my 5dmk2. I am so underwhelmed by the EOS R though, and it's not a certain buy for me. My biggest complaint is lack of two card slots. I don't have this on my 5d, but do on my 7dmk2, and have had a card die. Other than that the basic weather sealing also puts me off.
However, I don't see real alternatives for me. The Sony A7R3 doesn't fit my hands (too small between grip and lens, and wouldn't work with gloves). They've fixed that in the A7R4 I think. The Nikon is too big. I also have a few Canon L lenses, and changing lenses isn't cheap at all. Sony lenses are pricy.
I'd be much happier if the EOS R was priced more realistically. It's probably £400 more than it should be.
Overall it's a disappointing camera and I am still lost on whether to just get it and enjoy it (I almost certainly would like it), or wait a year or two for the mk2. Canon generally has long waits between versions, so it could be a while.
I have to disagree, the EOS R is far from disappointing and I much prefer it to my 5DIV and 7DII. I accept that different brands offer different ergonomics and features etc and hence subjectivity is involved but that doesn't make this camera disappointing if someone doesn't like it, it is simply not for them if it lacks a particular feature or doesn't feel right in their hand. For others it has all the features they need and the fact it takes excellent pictures is evidence that it is a very good camera, not a disappointing one. However, I don't see real alternatives for me. The Sony A7R3 doesn't fit my hands (too small between grip and lens, and wouldn't work with gloves). They've fixed that in the A7R4 I think. The Nikon is too big. I also have a few Canon L lenses, and changing lenses isn't cheap at all. Sony lenses are pricy.
I'd be much happier if the EOS R was priced more realistically. It's probably £400 more than it should be.
Overall it's a disappointing camera and I am still lost on whether to just get it and enjoy it (I almost certainly would like it), or wait a year or two for the mk2. Canon generally has long waits between versions, so it could be a while.
I find the ergonomics, EVF, tilting screen, AF etc brilliant and coupled with the small size, I am using it far more than I ever used my DSLR's.
The two card slots argument is moot for me; never had a card fail in nearly 20 years of using digital cameras. I do see how a Wedding Photographer might want the comfort of two cards but otherwise...
I've already had my EOS R soaked in a heavy downpour walking around a city, no problems whatsoever. Admittedly, it had L glass on it. I have got the RF35mm and RF24-240mm non-L's which are really very nice but know they will not take too kindly to wet weather. I have the RF24-105 L and a few EF L lenses that coupled with the R, I'd have no issue walking about in wet weather with.
Overall, I am very happy with Canon's first FF Mirrorless bodies. I have long admired the Sony's but they just don't feel right to me. I prefer Canon ergonomics and colours. The RF lenses show that the new system is a long term project and more, higher spec bodies will be released once the glass is out there to support them for the Pro's. Those will have dual slots, faster FPS, greater MP etc to cater for different needs. In the meantime, I find the EOS R and RP are priced about right vs their DSLR stablemates and both very capable.
Having been a Canon 5D across various Mks I bought the EOS RP for a trip to Japan to have alongside the 5D Mk III
The RP blew me away, lightweight, small and great photos paired with L glass. The flip touch screen is a complete revolution. Limited by the shutter speed occasionally and the battery life isn't amazing but batteries are small and relatively cheap.
Has now become the camera I take when I feel like I might want to take a photo or two.
The RP blew me away, lightweight, small and great photos paired with L glass. The flip touch screen is a complete revolution. Limited by the shutter speed occasionally and the battery life isn't amazing but batteries are small and relatively cheap.
Has now become the camera I take when I feel like I might want to take a photo or two.
Edited by AndrewEH1 on Wednesday 11th September 23:17
I finally relented and bought the R last Saturday. Managed to get a really good trade-in for my old 6D with 24-105L and so ended up getting the R 24-105 kit... man maths (assisted by 24 months interest free credit) swung it to the lens kit.
Coming from the 6D, which is still a fantastic but old camera, I have been mightily impressed by the R on its single outing. I admit that the autofocus system is taking some getting used to... I have always back button focussed with the centre point and simply recomposed. Otherwise the only downside for me at the moment is that I am now dealing with 50mb RAW files on an ageing Mac.
I have a three week photography trek in Nepal next month and a week of safari in December so figured there was no downside in upgrading now. I am too invested in L glass to consider swapping away from Canon, and as I only update my body every 5 years or so I expect that it will be with me for some time until there is a real reason to upgrade (not sure what that will be yet as I don't need speed).
Coming from the 6D, which is still a fantastic but old camera, I have been mightily impressed by the R on its single outing. I admit that the autofocus system is taking some getting used to... I have always back button focussed with the centre point and simply recomposed. Otherwise the only downside for me at the moment is that I am now dealing with 50mb RAW files on an ageing Mac.
I have a three week photography trek in Nepal next month and a week of safari in December so figured there was no downside in upgrading now. I am too invested in L glass to consider swapping away from Canon, and as I only update my body every 5 years or so I expect that it will be with me for some time until there is a real reason to upgrade (not sure what that will be yet as I don't need speed).
Many thanks for all of the replies -I sprang for one. As I have a lot of existing Caban lenses I just bought the kit lens and will experiment with the various lenses in my kit. Not sure for instance with a 2.8L 70-200 with the adapter as well as using another Canon adapter to double focal length .
Stilll, most of the time I use the Canon 24-70 f2.8 it the aforementioned 70-200.
The camera is compact and most of the menu structure is no problem. I have to get used to al of the firmware upgrades though. Love the flip our screen and the eye focus feature.
Still new and will take a bit to get used to it. I have usually used a grid screen and not yet sure I can do it here.
. Stilll, most of the time I use the Canon 24-70 f2.8 it the aforementioned 70-200.
The camera is compact and most of the menu structure is no problem. I have to get used to al of the firmware upgrades though. Love the flip our screen and the eye focus feature.
Still new and will take a bit to get used to it. I have usually used a grid screen and not yet sure I can do it here.
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