Car snapping by phone
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I use a P20 Pro and its a great phone/camera for most things. The other half has an iPhone XS and the camera is probably better than that. The AI has its limitations though, especially when it comes to masking in aperture mode. I photograph cars for a living but gave the phone a couple of chances over my DSLR. For the convenience of it I think it does a decent job.
In daylight (Santa Monica):
At night, handheld using night mode. I had to do a fair bit of retouching though as the software seems to add a lot of sharpening.
Neither are really "good enough" for publication but they're fine for social media/phone use.
In daylight (Santa Monica):
At night, handheld using night mode. I had to do a fair bit of retouching though as the software seems to add a lot of sharpening.
Neither are really "good enough" for publication but they're fine for social media/phone use.
dinkel said:
...and that's the direction media is going.
I'm not so sure. Journalism maybe I could see going that way (in certain areas domestically at least). But commercially there is a need for high-quality imagery that phones arent currently capable of providing. There is more danger of most photography going 3D I think.
Tiny sensors in phones and poor optics means they are no good for professionals.
I sold a bunch of photos today and the minimum file size they wanted was 30mb. (They were mostly 90mb+)
When paper, posters, magazines and all printed matter disappear (which they will), and/or when phones get proper sized sensors and proper glass (which they will, or some way round it), the photographic world will change. Until then, proper cameras earn the money.
...still, nice pics folks.
I sold a bunch of photos today and the minimum file size they wanted was 30mb. (They were mostly 90mb+)
When paper, posters, magazines and all printed matter disappear (which they will), and/or when phones get proper sized sensors and proper glass (which they will, or some way round it), the photographic world will change. Until then, proper cameras earn the money.
...still, nice pics folks.
Edited by GetCarter on Monday 8th April 18:28
GetCarter said:
When paper, posters, magazines and all printed matter disappear (which they will), and/or when phones get proper sized sensors and proper glass (which they will, or some way round it), the photographic world will change.
It's the bloke pressing the button who delivers quality or s
te... I find it amazing what (bread & butter) pro's dare to offer their clients. With a few simple tricks everyone can make proper pics with their phone and in 9 out of 10 situations those pics will do just fine. Newsletters, intranet, the lot...dinkel said:
With a few simple tricks everyone can make proper pics with their phone and in 9 out of 10 situations those pics will do just fine. Newsletters, intranet, the lot...
With the greatest respect... on a phone. Can you tell us how to set to bulb, set EVF +1,+3 +5, set DOF to shallow in bright light, bracket to +/- 0.3, expose for sky over land, save as >45mb RAW files, or set for 20 second exposure?...and tell us what size the sensor is in the best phone on the market at the moment (size determining quality, especially in low light)
For the moment, professionals need proper cameras - (I am one) - I have no doubt it'll come on phones, but it's a long way off. I have NEVER sold a photo taken with a camera and would be embarrassed to do so.
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 9th April 15:40
GetCarter said:
With the greatest respect... on a phone. Can you tell us how to set to bulb, set EVF +1,+3 +5, set DOF to shallow in bright light, bracket to +/- 0.3, expose for sky over land, save as >45mb RAW files, or set for 20 second exposure?
In fairness, my P20 will take 7296x5472px images in RAW that are 8.10MB each - easily printable for anything up to A3 I'd argue. It's more accessible for night shots hand-held than a DSLR and you can set bulb, plus EV adjustments. It'll bracket and use software to recreate DoF, though it is hit and miss. I can even light-paint and hand-hold long-exposures during the day. Phones have come a long way!Rogue86 said:
In fairness, my P20 will take 7296x5472px images in RAW that are 8.10MB each - easily printable for anything up to A3 I'd argue. It's more accessible for night shots hand-held than a DSLR and you can set bulb, plus EV adjustments. It'll bracket and use software to recreate DoF, though it is hit and miss. I can even light-paint and hand-hold long-exposures during the day. Phones have come a long way!
Fair comment, but generally, people I sell to would take an 8 mb file, and even if they did, the size of the sensor will seriously affect the quality of the photo. People constantly talk amount of pixels, but it's the size of the sensor that counts.You'll see that best phone cameras are about 50 times smaller than a ff camera. (1:1/3)
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 9th April 16:50
GetCarter said:
Fair comment, but nobody I sell to would take an 8 mb file, and even if they did, the size of the sensor will seriously affect the quality of the photo. People constantly talk amount of pixels, but it's the size of the sensor that counts.
As I say, for commercial work they're still away yet. But for photojournalism they are certainly good enough.Obviously depends on what your client needs. Arguably I could get away with shooting commercial work for web on my phone, though I probably wouldnt.
Edited by Rogue86 on Tuesday 9th April 16:52
Rogue86 said:
GetCarter said:
Fair comment, but nobody I sell to would take an 8 mb file, and even if they did, the size of the sensor will seriously affect the quality of the photo. People constantly talk amount of pixels, but it's the size of the sensor that counts.
As I say, for commercial work they're still away yet. But for photojournalism they are certainly good enough.
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